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In one of the presentations they said that map data was cloud based and would always be up to date (much like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc.).

What is free (typically Ford gives you stuff free for 3 years so that leasing people don't have to pay at all) is the networking to get that data (e.g. "Ford Pass access" and the modem in the car).
I sure hope this is the case.
 

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There could be another reason to have the large battery buffer. As the battery degrades over time, Ford can gradually reduce the buffer at the same rate so that the car gets the same range it did when it was new. Of course, they can only do this for so long, but it could keep people from complaining about battery degradation for a few years.
 

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There could be another reason to have the large battery buffer. As the battery degrades over time, Ford can gradually reduce the buffer at the same rate so that the car gets the same range it did when it was new. Of course, they can only do this for so long, but it could keep people from complaining about battery degradation for a few years.
I guess I had assumed without saying so that this was the plan.
 

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I gave this some thought actually before my post. What I'd be worried about, if I were Ford, is the following:
I get what you're saying, and I can see both sides of it. To be clear, I'd never say there should be a 0% reserve. Even Tesla doesn't go that far. We're realistically talking something like 11% vs a tighter 5%.

If we're patient, it may just happen anyway. As I've said before, I half expect OTA updates to release some of that 11% later if their data collection shows good battery health.
 

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Seeing as how dead batteries are more or less the typical forcing function of my phone replacements... Yeah, I've been wanting this feature, too.
The closest I've been able to do it put a Gosung smartplug timer on my bedside charger, so it only comes on for 2 hours. Still usually goes to 100% most nights, but at least it doesn't sit there and re-top over and over through the night as it trickles down from 100%. They say that really chips away it battery health (supposedly).
 

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I gave this some thought actually before my post. What I'd be worried about, if I were Ford, is the following:
  1. Normal driver gets their car and starts driving, never looking at the electronic manual because they didn't look at the paper manual ever, either.
  2. They somehow come across the "let me go to 100% instead of 80%" setting while screwing around with their new toy, and turn it on.
  3. A warning screen comes up they don't read, because most people are used to "click through licensing" and "stupid computer; just let me do this."
  4. They see their range max goes up by 25%. "YAY! I CAN DRIVE ANOTHER 50 MILES (*)!" (*) semi-random number to make a point, exact number doesn't matter
  5. They leave it on forever because MOR RANGE ZOOM!
  6. Their battery is negatively impacted because they are doing 100% every night (again normal person, just like they do their cell phone)...
  7. Three years in, their battery is jacked, just like on their cell phones, and they demand Ford replace a part that costs over $10,000 under warranty, and Ford has to comply.
I don't think this scenario is that far off the mark. It's in Ford's best interest to avoid this whole thing and in some ways in all our best interests, because it avoids the car getting a bad reputation for failing batteries, tanking the resale value and Ford's BEV reputation.

Just to make sure I'm being completely clear: I am not saying that it's ideal that truly educated drivers that are willing to accept the risk, and won't hold Ford responsible for the degradation as a result, can't make that decision. I just think they made a judgement call, one that as part of buying the car, you're accepting.
For what it's worth, Tesla allows you to set the limit to 100% and it doesn't actually nag you unless you actually charge to 100% twice in a row, if memory serves.

When I took my 6k mi trip, I left the limit at 100% for the entire 2 weeks, but I only actually went to 100% one time, so it never nagged me about it.

It will display something like "Repeated charging to 100% may lead to accelerated battery wear" or something like that after then second 100% charge in a row, and advise you to drop the limit back into the "daily" range.

Some balance of repeated warnings could help convince people that they don't need 100% every day (and nearly nobody does).
 

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Sorry for continuing this digression, but you guys are brilliant. I'd never considered putting some sort of timer on a phone charger.

Turns out this is trivially easy with the Kasa smart outlets. I don't own any right now, but I've set up a bunch for my parents. They use their voice to control via Google Assistant.

It looks like it can also be easily scheduled via Kasa's app. I think I'll be buying one for myself!

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I can see both sides of it. Do we want:

(a) the Mach-E to be extra careful blocking off battery reserve so we don't even have to think about being careful with the battery?

-or-

(b) to be allowed to dip deeper into that reserve to extend range in rare cases, knowing we need to be careful not to do it frequently?

It's probably smart for Ford to pick (a) for now. But I'd also like the option of (b) when I'm on a road trip. No right or wrong either way. Pros and cons to both.

I also wonder a bit whether (b) is really there but they just don't tell us. In other words, what actually happens if we drive it to 0%? Does it shut down right there, or does it allow us to push down further into the reserve? Time will tell, I suppose.
Agree. I am glad the MME gives us the choice for SOC %. I will be further excited if it allows us to set different SOC % for the various charge events. In that scenario it could be economically beneficial and/or convenient.

I think personal choice is great but we shouldn't alarm new EVers unnecessarily by making them think they have to babysit the HVB. Owning an EV isnt supposed to be a compromise for the majority of situations. Of course there are situations where an EV is less convenient than a similar ICE but those are in the minority for the most part.
 

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Sorry for continuing this digression, but you guys are brilliant. I'd never considered putting some sort of timer on a phone charger.

Turns out this is trivially easy with the Kasa smart outlets. I don't own any right now, but I've set up a bunch for my parents. They use their voice to control via Google Assistant.

It looks like it can also be easily scheduled via Kasa's app. I think I'll be buying one for myself!

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That's exactly what I did with the Gosunds. A 4-pack is just $23 on Amazon. Set a Google routine.
 

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Agree. I am glad the MME gives us the choice for SOC %. I will be further excited if it allows us to set different SOC % for the various charge events. In that scenario it could be economically beneficial and/or convenient.

I think personal choice is great but we shouldn't alarm new EVers unnecessarily by making them think they have to babysit the HVB. Owning an EV isnt supposed to be a compromise for the majority of situations. Of course there are situations where an EV is less convenient than a similar ICE but those are in the minority for the most part.
It does according to the one video here at 1:50:

You can set the charge to value for each location (I would also guess that you can set the "default" value as well--e.g. when you are charging at a location that you haven't programed in).

Presumably you won't be setting a value for DCFC charging simply because you'll be there and likely will stop it at 80% (or nearby). Even if you wait a bit after 80% due to the taper you'll only pick up a few percent before you stop it.
 

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I think the days of paying for map updates are pretty much over.
A few years back I paid $200 per years to update the (poor) map in my Ford. As soon as Google, Apple and Waze began providing them for free, I discontinued paying for the updates. I imagine I will make the same choices unless this is way less expensive and way more impressive a map. I doubt it will be likely. It was cool and all, but are the aforementioned services.
I was under the impression that Ford was working with Apple on some of this Tech. Does anyone else remember hearing that?
 

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A few years back I paid $200 per years to update the (poor) map in my Ford. As soon as Google, Apple and Waze began providing them for free, I discontinued paying for the updates. I imagine I will make the same choices unless this is way less expensive and way more impressive a map. I doubt it will be likely. It was cool and all, but are the aforementioned services.
I was under the impression that Ford was working with Apple on some of this Tech. Does anyone else remember hearing that?
Right, but you're not going to be paying for "map updates". What you'll be paying for is connectivity, which not only updates maps but also feeds realtime data to the nav system for charging info. So, I suspect if you discontinue the connectivity the effectiveness of the NAV/charging will also suffer.

Purely speculation, and we need Ford to actually disclose this kind of information for decisions that must have been made already.
 

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Presumably you won't be setting a value for DCFC charging simply because you'll be there and likely will stop it at 80% (or nearby). Even if you wait a bit after 80% due to the taper you'll only pick up a few percent before you stop it.
Yep, we really don't want a DCFC charge automatically stopping because then the idle charges kick in (10 minute grace period on EA, anyway).

What we want instead is the phone app setting off alarms as it gets close to filling up (or our used-defined target), so we can get right back to the vehicle if we're down the block eating or something.
 

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A few years back I paid $200 per years to update the (poor) map in my Ford. As soon as Google, Apple and Waze began providing them for free, I discontinued paying for the updates.
I have a 2013 Lincoln MKX and update the map SD card about every two years. I buy the card on eBay for half the official price.

I agree about Google and use it every day. I think the point is not the maps, but the value-add. For example, the TomTom integration with Electrify America for charge point integration with route planning. We can always use Android Auto or Apple Car Play with Google Maps and have the latest POIs. BUT -- we may not get the other features unless Ford Pass lets us get it for free.

By-the-way. I have nothing against TomTom. I lived in Europe a long time and really liked TomTom on my Compaq iPaq pocket PC in the early 2000's.
 

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Sure! And that's a great idea. I'll collect questions before the next webinar this Thursday. There is no guarantee they will answer any of them. I'm this past session, I asked 4 questions and only one got answered.

What questions do you have? The next webinar is about the interior design and then the final one is about the performance.
Hello an good morning Patric!

In the name of the German community I would like so say ‚Thank You‘ to bring our open questions closer to the centre of Ford. We have no possibility to bring our really urgent questions to Ford. You must know, German reservation holders...

- ... haven’t already a date when their reservation will be switched into an order (1. question to ask!)

- ... are afraid about the date of delivery. You need to know the following: Buyers of EVs still receive government support of up to € 6,000. As I said: still! Because this funding pot is just coming to an end. Rough calculations predict the end of the funding in early summer 2021. In Germany, more and more EVs are entering the market. The more EVs allowed, the faster the pot empties. Since the reservations have not yet completed an order, the question arises as to whether this step is still worthwhile or not. 6000 € is a lot of money that you would have to pay more or less. Hence our urgent question: When does Ford plan to supply Germany in particular?

Thank you, Patric for your help. Do you know, when your pony will enter your stable?
 



 









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