MME vs Chevy Blazer EV

[generaltso]

There was a sign at the airport parking garage saying no Bolts were allowed to park inside the garage. It was so hilarious I wish I had taken a picture. And at the bottom of the sign, in a little footnote, it said "the best BEV ever".


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[woody]

That’s a pretty huge leap between “it doesn’t suck,” and it being the “best.”

Can you list even 1 characteristic that puts it in a #1 spot? Because I can think of quite a few in the “it sucks” category. ?

Price
User friendly
Reliability/dependability
Quality ( superior to Ford and best GM quality ever)
Excellent town car, which is what most purchasers are seeking
great handling, all weather (it is not a hot rod)
plenty of interior room
limited (interfering) technology, but working technology
and some of us got a free replacement(at ~20,000 miles) battery which has 10% more capacity(kWhs) than the original

I understand the anti GM mentality. Until the Volt/Bolt I would not consider a GM product.
Now I will consider GM over Ford, even if Ford comes up with a new product.
Five years with the Bolt worry/problem free.
Two+ years with the MME and failures continue and the HVBJB still is not replaced.

 

[woody]

A classic example of anti GM bashing. A miniscule moment in history. No relevance.

 

[Mach1E]

Price
User friendly
Reliability/dependability
Quality ( superior to Ford and best GM quality ever)
Excellent town car, which is what most purchasers are seeking
great handling, all weather (it is not a hot rod)
plenty of interior room
limited (interfering) technology, but working technology
and some of us got a free replacement(at ~20,000 miles) battery which has 10% more capacity(kWhs) than the original

I understand the anti GM mentality. Until the Volt/Bolt I would not consider a GM product.
Now I will consider GM over Ford, even if Ford comes up with a new product.
Five years with the Bolt worry/problem free.
Two+ years with the MME and failures continue and the HVBJB still is not replaced.

That’s an interesting list, but again, I wouldn’t put the Bolt in the #1 category in anything on that list….. let alone enough #1s to make it the “best BEV.”

At best, I would say it’s “average“ for most of those things and actually one of the worst for others (like handling). Seriously….. it pulls .79 G on the skidpad. I can’t remember any normal car that’s worse! https://www.caranddriver.com/review...t-ev-vs-2023-volkswagen-jetta-sport-compared/

And a 93 mph top speed? Oof.

It’s basically a toaster oven (appliance) on wheels. Looks like one too. About the only thing it has going for it is the price. It’s cheap.

And before you say it again, I’m definitely NOT anti-GM.

Owned a 2015 Chevy SS, a 2002 Trans Am and a 98 Grand Prix.

 

[woody]

That’s an interesting list, but again, I wouldn’t put the Bolt in the #1 category in anything on that list….. let alone enough #1s to make it the “best BEV.”

At best, I would say it’s “average“ for most of those things and actually one of the worst for others (like handling). Seriously….. it pulls .79 G on the skidpad. I can’t remember any normal car that’s worse! https://www.caranddriver.com/review...t-ev-vs-2023-volkswagen-jetta-sport-compared/

And a 93 mph top speed? Oof.

It’s basically a toaster oven (appliance) on wheels. Looks like one too. About the only thing it has going for it is the price. It’s cheap.

And before you say it again, I’m definitely NOT anti-GM.

Owned a 2015 Chevy SS, a 2002 Trans Am and a 98 Grand Prix.

Missed the point.
The Bolt is a get-around-town affordable vehicle (easy to park, fun to drive, handles well, easy to charge, lots of room, etc.). That is all it is.
The Bolt is not a "sports" car. That said, it is as fast or faster than many a "sports" car.
The Bolt is not an MSV(ska an SUV) which big oil has jammed down our ignorant throats.

Skidpad? Really? Skidpad is a measurement used when evaluating race cars or "sports" cars. It is a minor consideration when addressing handling. Things like driver, center of gravity, tires, etc. are more important when looking at handling, especially with race cars. (1.00g was not even found on the charts until the '80s and then only in two of the top ten vehicles["sports" cars]. The '79 Porsche rated a 0.79g, the "79 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce a 0.78g, both of which were ranked in the top ten. 0.70g and greater is considered acceptable.) Do you think "normal" car buyers base their decision on skidpad numbers? Or even know what skidpad is? Virtually every car understeers and skidpad results are a subjective rating level of understeer.

93mph? Last time I checked the speed limits on our highways and byways were around 55-75mph. Exceeding them might result in s citation. And 90+mph could result in a hefty fine. 90+mph speeds are for race cars on race tracks.

And looks! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Seems folks purchased the early air cooled Leaf. And I see a lot of Teslas on the streets. The Big 3 have spent many billions of dollars on "looks" for many decades in order to sell cars. At least the MME "looks" good, perhaps, then again, perhaps not.

Maybe drive a Bolt? They are discontinuing them very soon. Hurry.

 

[Hammered]

You seem to just want to argue, but I would characterize your description as gutless. Also, just as weight shifts rearward during acceleration limiting tire grip, the same is true for the rear wheels for regen during deceleration. The size of the brakes front and rear tell you all you need to know. It makes a difference and is probably the reason there's not much/any difference in range for the AWD vs. RWD Mach-E despite the increase in weight plus powertrain losses.

There's nothing gutless about a vehicle with a 0-60 in the 6 second range. FWD doesn't make something gutless either. Why you're sticking to the verbiage like that, beats me. Regen isn't braking either and is power limited to a fraction of acceleration. 1 pd should be disabled in icing conditions.

 

[Auto Motive]

https://insideevs.com/news/674453/c...ies-from-the-week-of-june-6th-july-2nd-2023st

First Chevrolet Blazer EV Rolls Off Assembly Line At GM’s Mexico Plant
The Chevrolet Blazer EV is expected to be one of GM’s high-volume electric vehicles.

Jun 29, 2023 at 11:38am ET
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By: Suvrat Kothari


There’s an encouraging update for Chevrolet Blazer EV reservation holders. The first customer car rolled off General Motors’ Ramos Arizpe assembly plant in Mexico yesterday – another positive step forward in the company's broader electrification efforts.

The update was posted on the plant’s unofficial Facebook page, with pictures of a spanking new 2024 Chevrolet Blazer EV draped in vibrant Riptide Blue Metallic paint. A Sterling Gray Metallic version was also seen at the site.

GM will offer two variants starting summer 2023, the 2LT and RS. The latter was the first to roll out of the plant, with 21-inch wheels and a blacked-out grille. The entry-level 1LT and the range-topping SS will be available in winter 2024 and fall 2023, respectively. The brand will also offer a Police Pursuit Vehicle (PPV) version of the electric SUV.

Battery details have not emerged yet, but GM says the Blazer EV RS will have an estimated 320 miles (515 kilometers) of range. Moreover, RS customers will be able to choose between three drivetrain configurations: front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, or all-wheel drive.

Performance enthusiasts might want to look at the range-topping SS variant. It will be tuned to produce 557 horsepower and 648 pound-feet of torque. It will also get a WOW (Wide Open Watts) mode – similar to the Watts To Freedom (WTF) mode on the GMC Hummer EV – which will make the EV accelerate from 0-60 miles per hour in under 4 seconds.

Prices start at $44,995 for the base version which will be available early next year. The Blazer EV 2LT is priced $47,595, while the RS starts at $51,995, including destination charges. The range-topping SS will set customers back by $65,995 when it is offered in fall 2023. It’s unclear when GM will re-open reservations – the order book was full towards the end of 2022.

Chevrolet is at the forefront of GM’s EV push, and the new electric SUV is one of many models based on the Ultium dedicated EV platform. The Hummer EV entered production late last year at Factory Zero (formerly Detroit-Hamtramck), followed by the fleet and commercial variants of the Silverado EV just recently. Meanwhile, the Equinox EV also entered production early this month at Ramos Arizpe in Mexico.

GM CEO Mary Barra announced recently that the company is on track to build over 400,000 BEVs by the middle of next year, and a million units in 2025. She also hinted at the successor of the popular Bolt EV, which will retire at the end of this year.

Not happening. GM cant build a Hummer, cant build a Lyriq and built a lot of Bolts that caught on fire. Mary Barra gets a lot of press but cant produce a ev in any quantity. 60 Hummers 3500 Lyriqs in 2 models years. And she had nerve back in 2022 press releases that should would beat Tesla market share by 2024.

 

[Mach1E]

Missed the point.
The Bolt is a get-around-town affordable vehicle (easy to park, fun to drive, handles well, easy to charge, lots of room, etc.). That is all it is.
The Bolt is not a "sports" car. That said, it is as fast or faster than many a "sports" car.
The Bolt is not an MSV(ska an SUV) which big oil has jammed down our ignorant throats.

Skidpad? Really? Skidpad is a measurement used when evaluating race cars or "sports" cars. It is a minor consideration when addressing handling. Things like driver, center of gravity, tires, etc. are more important when looking at handling, especially with race cars. (1.00g was not even found on the charts until the '80s and then only in two of the top ten vehicles["sports" cars]. The '79 Porsche rated a 0.79g, the "79 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce a 0.78g, both of which were ranked in the top ten. 0.70g and greater is considered acceptable.) Do you think "normal" car buyers base their decision on skidpad numbers? Or even know what skidpad is? Virtually every car understeers and skidpad results are a subjective rating level of understeer.

93mph? Last time I checked the speed limits on our highways and byways were around 55-75mph. Exceeding them might result in s citation. And 90+mph could result in a hefty fine. 90+mph speeds are for race cars on race tracks.

And looks! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Seems folks purchased the early air cooled Leaf. And I see a lot of Teslas on the streets. The Big 3 have spent many billions of dollars on "looks" for many decades in order to sell cars. At least the MME "looks" good, perhaps, then again, perhaps not.

Maybe drive a Bolt? They are discontinuing them very soon. Hurry.

They’re discontinuing the “best BEV????” ?

Sorry, but you threw out the hyperbole without anything to back it up. This is the internet, you should know better. ?

I do think it’s pretty funny you’re doubling down on your handling comment. You even said “handles well” again. Compared to what exactly?

And yes, .79 G on the skidpad “sucks.” Maybe not by 1979 standards, but by 2023 crossover BEV standards. If it isn’t dead last, it’s definitely close.

The Bolt is a econobox people mover. And in that category? It’s fine. But not “best,” not by a long shot.

Compared to other crossover BEVs….

It’s significantly slower
Handles significantly worse
Less capacity
Less tech
Less luxury
Worse seats
Less range
Slower charging……

But it is cheaper. So this shouldn’t be a surprise.

 

[Logal727]

Hopped into this thread for some reason and seeing people comparing the Bolt to an MME and I am out lol

 

[Amazonkers]

I've seen the Blazer EV about (test mules) and think it looks good. Seems like real competition to the Mach E to me.

Too bad you can't get Super Cruise except for SS version (I assume it will get added in future years to lesser trims - what were they thinking?) and no frunk. Also, it should have some kind of V2H/ power backup function.

 

[mkhuffman]

Missed the point.
The Bolt is a get-around-town affordable vehicle (easy to park, fun to drive, handles well, easy to charge, lots of room, etc.). That is all it is.
The Bolt is not a "sports" car. That said, it is as fast or faster than many a "sports" car.
The Bolt is not an MSV(ska an SUV) which big oil has jammed down our ignorant throats.

Skidpad? Really? Skidpad is a measurement used when evaluating race cars or "sports" cars. It is a minor consideration when addressing handling. Things like driver, center of gravity, tires, etc. are more important when looking at handling, especially with race cars. (1.00g was not even found on the charts until the '80s and then only in two of the top ten vehicles["sports" cars]. The '79 Porsche rated a 0.79g, the "79 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce a 0.78g, both of which were ranked in the top ten. 0.70g and greater is considered acceptable.) Do you think "normal" car buyers base their decision on skidpad numbers? Or even know what skidpad is? Virtually every car understeers and skidpad results are a subjective rating level of understeer.

93mph? Last time I checked the speed limits on our highways and byways were around 55-75mph. Exceeding them might result in s citation. And 90+mph could result in a hefty fine. 90+mph speeds are for race cars on race tracks.

And looks! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Seems folks purchased the early air cooled Leaf. And I see a lot of Teslas on the streets. The Big 3 have spent many billions of dollars on "looks" for many decades in order to sell cars. At least the MME "looks" good, perhaps, then again, perhaps not.

Maybe drive a Bolt? They are discontinuing them very soon. Hurry.

Just want to point out that "big oil" (whatever that is) didn't jam anything down my throat. I love big SUVs.

Why? Because they can carry a lot of stuff and people, and tow things like boats. And because they are very comfortable. They can drive over bushes and small trees. And best of all, they are fun to drive on rough roads.

My wife loves how she can see down on the little tiny Bolt cars that scurry around like ants below her on the highway - basically she feels safer when driving. I like that also.

None of that has anything to do with a company that drills for oil.

 

[LincolnLuvr]

Blazer EV production ramping up to 65/hour. That seems more than expected?

https://electrek.co/2023/07/12/first-chevy-blazer-ev-en-route-us/

 

[ChasingCoral]

I've seen the Blazer EV about (test mules) and think it looks good. Seems like real competition to the Mach E to me.

Which is a clear sign that GM has lost their way. When it came out, the Blazer was a head-to-head competitor with the Bronco. The Bronco is still a real SUV (wish there were an EV version, though). The new Blazer is anything but. I guess GM has determined they can’t compete with Ford and Jeep in that market.

 

[Accord07]

My wife loves how she can see down on the little tiny Bolt cars that scurry around like ants below her on the highway - basically she feels safer when driving. I like that also.

Everyone should be driving a bus with leather seats. Oh wait, many are doing it already!

 

[MacherAWD]

Missed the point.
The Bolt is a get-around-town affordable vehicle (easy to park, fun to drive, handles well, easy to charge, lots of room, etc.). That is all it is.
The Bolt is not a "sports" car. That said, it is as fast or faster than many a "sports" car.
The Bolt is not an MSV(ska an SUV) which big oil has jammed down our ignorant throats.

Skidpad? Really? Skidpad is a measurement used when evaluating race cars or "sports" cars. It is a minor consideration when addressing handling. Things like driver, center of gravity, tires, etc. are more important when looking at handling, especially with race cars. (1.00g was not even found on the charts until the '80s and then only in two of the top ten vehicles["sports" cars]. The '79 Porsche rated a 0.79g, the "79 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce a 0.78g, both of which were ranked in the top ten. 0.70g and greater is considered acceptable.) Do you think "normal" car buyers base their decision on skidpad numbers? Or even know what skidpad is? Virtually every car understeers and skidpad results are a subjective rating level of understeer.

93mph? Last time I checked the speed limits on our highways and byways were around 55-75mph. Exceeding them might result in s citation. And 90+mph could result in a hefty fine. 90+mph speeds are for race cars on race tracks.

And looks! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Seems folks purchased the early air cooled Leaf. And I see a lot of Teslas on the streets. The Big 3 have spent many billions of dollars on "looks" for many decades in order to sell cars. At least the MME "looks" good, perhaps, then again, perhaps not.

Maybe drive a Bolt? They are discontinuing them very soon. Hurry.

Had a Bolt, loved it, the price, the all around package, most everyone should have one in their driveway for zipping around town. That said, in our 2 years we never took it on a road trip, it was too small, slow (93mph) to use as a primary car. With 2 kids we couldnt (and didnt want to) squeeze in for the weekend. The entire time we owned our Bolt and Leaf (6years) they were always car 2 duties and got less miles put on then our highlander. Since going MME the highlander is barely used, 15k miles on the MME in year 1 vs 2k miles on the highlander.

So all those little things added up for us to make the MME far superior and a true ICE replacement.

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