Tesla Launched FSD v14

[bibkisbu]

Mercedes covers the accident in their L3 scenario. When Tesla covers the cost of accidents then that means we actually have self driving. If I am on the hook for an accident its me driving.

Actually no they don't. It's not like what you think

The mercedes system is extremely limited in capability. Requires less than 45mph, lead car, bumper to bumper traffic, premapped road, no driving at night, no driving in adverse weather, no driving into the sun, no construction zones, no accidents. Clear overhead sun only. Even in los angeles that is impossible to achieve because not driving in rush hour or night there's not really bumper to bumper traffic. Especially traffic not caused by construction zone or accidents.

Therefore in those unicorn conditions which are practically impossible to achieve, the only accidents you would ever get into would be failures outside the ODD such as vehicle mechanical failures or the lead car suddenly dodging a stationary vehicle ahead and then your car slamming into it. For example if the mercedes car hit the pothole and you get into an accident you are at fault.

In every one of these conditions mercedes will try to not claim fault

on top of that, even though mercedes advertises reading a book or watching a movie, this is not legal. You have to be receptive to vehicle failures (even if you don't have to look at the road) and the car has no minimum amount of seconds to request a takeover. So if a bug splattered on the windshield and blinded the camera, mercedes can request a takeover in 1 second if they need to which is the amount of time to execute a minimum risk maneuver at 45mph.

Tesla could have this software 4 years ago. This is primitive technology. The reason they don't is because it is a dead-end technology that can never advance beyond simple capabilities.

Level 2 and level 3 ADAS systems are using primitive techniques that would not work for level 4 driving. GM tried building a city driving system (ultracruise) based on these primitive techniques and it cost them billions of dollars and was a failure.

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[ChehRob]

There is an acid test for FSD. Tesla gets an 'F', and isn't in the running. When FSD arrives those delivering it will accept responsibility for any and all accidents. Those thinking otherwise are suckers - and they are paying thousands of dollars for what they think is the privilege. And again, Tesla AP is great.

 

[bibkisbu]

This brings up another point. Tesla could build a system with the same restrictions as mercedes' level-3 system. Effectively they could claim it is level 2 but under those conditions disable driver monitoring.

It would be identical to using mercedes' level-3 system in that the car could never get into an accident that they would be at-fault

The advantage of tesla's approach is that it would work on any interstate in America

 

[Billyk24]

Cybertruck FSD is not the same as other FSD. It is an entirely different build of FSD.

Tesla makes a lot of models just like ford makes a lot of models with bluecruise.

There is HW4 with bumper camera

There is HW4

Then there is cybertruck and HW3. Cybertruck does not have the capabilities of other HW4 vehicles.

Cybertruck FSD is worse than the builds of FSD found in China and Europe.

Tesla meets all the requirements for autonomous driving anywhere in the U.S. There are about 20 states that tesla could get approval to drive autonomously overnight if the software were ready.

The only requirements for autonomous driving are performance based. In many states (20 of them) you self-certify performance and certify that the car can perform minimum risk maneuvers. Tesla software already does that.

In 9 other states you need to go through a more involved process which involves testing and approval.

The rest of the 21 states do not have laws on self driving vehicles.

Tesla does not have "level no 3" self driving because that's an entirely different technology branch that does not relate to level 4 driving. Tesla has the capabilities to do level 3 already and has had them for more than 3 years. it's just not a technology that tesla wants to pursue because it relates nothing to real self driving

Your not telling the truth or don't know FSD does not meet stated regularitory requirements in states where an auto company has certified level 3 status.

 

[bibkisbu]

Your not telling the truth or don't know FSD does not meet stated regularitory requirements in states where an auto company has certified level 3 status.

What are you talking about? Tesla has approval for level 4 testing. In california. They have the DMV permit and had it since 2017.

They also are approved for level 4 in nevada, as nevada is one of the 20 states with no requirements.

tesla delivered a car to a customer in texas with no one inside. Because they legally can operate with no driver already

Tesla has job listings for car retrieval personnel because they will operate driverless in Austin this year.

With later builds of FSD v14 they intend to operate driverless in quite a few states. California is a state tesla would have no issues operating. The process for approval there is just simply longer and takes more time.

Technically tesla is approved for rideshare under the CPUC permit and they are approved for level 4 testing. I suspect no one has ever attempted to launch a robotaxi service using a CPUC permit and a DMV permit

 

[Billyk24]

Post such documents.

 

[bibkisbu]

Post such documents.

What documents?

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehic...es/autonomous-vehicle-testing-permit-holders/

Right here. Tesla is approved for testing in california with a driver under (Tesla Robotaxi LLC.)

This is literally level 4, not level 3.



Nevada is one of the 20 states where self driving requires self-certification.

This includes kentucky, tennessee, florida, georgia, etc.

Tesla could literally take an autonomous drive from the corner of montana to key west, florida. Nearly 3500 miles. All they would need to do is self-certify in the 20 states they are allowed to drive. This would take less than 1 week to gain approval in every one of those states.

 

[Billyk24]

Nevada requires redundant system overlap to ensure safety. What is the Tesla sensory input overlap if they only use cameras?

 

[bibkisbu]

Nevada requires redundant system overlap to ensure safety. What is the Tesla sensory input overlap if they only use cameras?

Redundant system overlap does not mean cameras only is not legal.

tesla has 3 forward facing cameras (bumper, two front facing, as well as overlapping side camera views).

This means that a failure from a camera or camera wire would not prevent the car from driving. If something covers up all 3 forward facing cameras, you perform a minimum risk maneuver, i.e. you put on the brakes and decelerate to the last known position of the car in front.

imagine you were driving down the highway and a large tarp blocked your windshield. You'd freak out, but the car would make the split second decision to brake to the last known position of the car in front (assuming the car is accelerating and its speed is kwown) while also putting on the hazards. Because the car is driving with 100% effort and a human is not, its memory of where the cars and pedestrians are is much more accurate. As well as the prediction of where they will be and how the road looks ahead.

There is no law anywhere in America or the world that prevents camera only self driving.

Tesla also has redundant braking, redundant steering column control modules, the FSD computer has two chips which can be run independent if one fails, and there are lots of sensors like accelerometers, microphones, speakers, TPMS, wheel speed, traction, etc. which would also play a role in self driving

you don't really need that much to self-drive. If you look at mercedes they have a moisture sensor to detect if the road is wet because their system is not allowed to drive on wet roads. You can use cameras for that. but again mercedes is using primitive technology.

If AI ever got to a point that these driving models were very small and could run on weak computers, any tesla from 2017+ could be enabled to self driving. There is no hardware or technical limitation

 

[Teslaeata]

Do I actually give a fuck?

Erm………………..Noooooo

 

[MacherAWD]

Actually no they don't. It's not like what you think

The mercedes system is extremely limited in capability. Requires less than 45mph, lead car, bumper to bumper traffic, premapped road, no driving at night, no driving in adverse weather, no driving into the sun, no construction zones, no accidents. Clear overhead sun only. Even in los angeles that is impossible to achieve because not driving in rush hour or night there's not really bumper to bumper traffic. Especially traffic not caused by construction zone or accidents.

Therefore in those unicorn conditions which are practically impossible to achieve, the only accidents you would ever get into would be failures outside the ODD such as vehicle mechanical failures or the lead car suddenly dodging a stationary vehicle ahead and then your car slamming into it. For example if the mercedes car hit the pothole and you get into an accident you are at fault.

In every one of these conditions mercedes will try to not claim fault

on top of that, even though mercedes advertises reading a book or watching a movie, this is not legal. You have to be receptive to vehicle failures (even if you don't have to look at the road) and the car has no minimum amount of seconds to request a takeover. So if a bug splattered on the windshield and blinded the camera, mercedes can request a takeover in 1 second if they need to which is the amount of time to execute a minimum risk maneuver at 45mph.

Tesla could have this software 4 years ago. This is primitive technology. The reason they don't is because it is a dead-end technology that can never advance beyond simple capabilities.

Level 2 and level 3 ADAS systems are using primitive techniques that would not work for level 4 driving. GM tried building a city driving system (ultracruise) based on these primitive techniques and it cost them billions of dollars and was a failure.

TLDR, it's not self driving if I am still at fault in an accident.

Update us when we are no longer liable, like if I take an Uber, or driverless Uber.

 

[Mach1E]

Cybertruck FSD is not the same as other FSD. It is an entirely different build of FSD.

Tesla makes a lot of models just like ford makes a lot of models with bluecruise.

There is HW4 with bumper camera

There is HW4

Then there is cybertruck and HW3. Cybertruck does not have the capabilities of other HW4 vehicles.

Cybertruck FSD is worse than the builds of FSD found in China and Europe.

Tesla meets all the requirements for autonomous driving anywhere in the U.S. There are about 20 states that tesla could get approval to drive autonomously overnight if the software were ready.

The only requirements for autonomous driving are performance based. In many states (20 of them) you self-certify performance and certify that the car can perform minimum risk maneuvers. Tesla software already does that.

In 9 other states you need to go through a more involved process which involves testing and approval.

The rest of the 21 states do not have laws on self driving vehicles.

Tesla does not have "level no 3" self driving because that's an entirely different technology branch that does not relate to level 4 driving. Tesla has the capabilities to do level 3 already and has had them for more than 3 years. it's just not a technology that tesla wants to pursue because it relates nothing to real self driving

You have an incredible knowledge and details about all things Tesla.

I know Tesla pays pretty well, what’s their benefits package like these days? Has the work culture changed much for you since they moved the headquarters to Texas?

 

[bibkisbu]

You have an incredible knowledge and details about all things Tesla.

I know Tesla pays pretty well, what’s their benefits package like these days? Has the work culture changed much for you since they moved the headquarters to Texas?

Huh? FSD knowledge is common among people who care about the progress

AKA the non-ignorant

If I worked for tesla I would know much more about the progress

the reason anyone should care about this (even non-tesla owner) is this would be a problem if tesla were to have cars with unsupervised driving. If you could ever have a car that could road trip while sleeping why would you buy anything else? It would also tank both the used car market because everyone will be dumping their old cars.

other brands are definitely worried. You can tell when you see RJ Scaringe making blatant lies about Rivian autonomy because he is worried.

All tesla has to do is demonstrate one city with unsupervised driving this year and it's a problem.

 

[Mach1E]

Huh? FSD knowledge is common among people who care about the progress

AKA the non-ignorant

If I worked for tesla I would know much more about the progress

the reason anyone should care about this (even non-tesla owner) is this would be a problem if tesla were to have cars with unsupervised driving. If you could ever have a car that could road trip while sleeping why would you buy anything else? It would also tank both the used car market because everyone will be dumping their old cars.

other brands are definitely worried. You can tell when you see RJ Scaringe making blatant lies about Rivian autonomy because he is worried.

All tesla has to do is demonstrate one city with unsupervised driving this year and it's a problem.

My bad. Lots of random people who don’t work for Tesla must join forums to only talk positively about Tesla and bash “the ignorant.”

Funny you bring up people “road tripping while sleeping,” because it’s been done.


Drunk too
https://electrek.co/2025/09/11/tesl...ull-self-driving-proving-tesla-needs-do-more/

FSD capabilities is impressive.

What’s not impressive is the overconfidence that people get in the system resulting in dangerous behavior like the above or the more common “throw a weight on the steering wheel” people.

And comments like yours claiming false safety history doesn’t help this.

 

[TheSteelRider]

How many teslas have been sold with autopilot technology? How many billions of miles has it been used?

Great question. How many? Please provide a link to the third party audited metrics that support your claim.

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