The Mach-E needs a REAL refresh!

[dbsb3233]

• 400v architecture, limited to ~150kW DCFC charging
• Its infamous 'bouncy' ride (sheesh @Ford Motor Company, if MagnaRide is truly better, just include it in all Mach-Es!)
• Ineligibility for IRA discounts when purchasing

I think you can rest assured that they're desperate to get the tax credit back. That's killing them. But of course, it takes years to to build and get their own battery plants up and running, sourced with qualifying materials, etc. The government basically f'd them over (along with most of legacy makers).

800v would be nice but I really don't have a problem with current charge speeds. Not a priority for me (and we road trip a ton).

The ride quality is a big one for me too. But not because of bouncing, it's just more stiff and jarring than I'd like on city streets. I prefer a softer more luxury ride. Even our Bronco Sport has a smoother ride on dips and rougher streets.

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[silverelan]

as bad as sales are I'm not sure they want to put a whole lot of money into the platform

MME’s sales would do better if the specs were a bit more compelling. We’re still dealing with range and charging numbers that were fine in 2017, but unimpressive in 2019 when the car was revealed. It’s now 2024 and while the range is slightly improved, the charging times are woefully behind the competition.

Couple those metrics with the poor reputation surrounding the HVBJB and we see less interest than hoped.

 

[67mustang]

Yeah, but we need cars with new technology soon because in California we will all have to buy a new car in 2026 if this law gets passed. So glad all of the other problems in California are solved so that they could worry about us driving too fast.
Sorry, speeders: New bill would require speed-limiting devices in California cars

Never have I seen a bill require people to purchase something new when/if it passes.

At most, it would be any new vehicles would have to have speed governors on them. Anyone with a vehicle from before the bill passes would still be able to drive their cars. You wouldn't be forced to purchase some new car.

Also very low chance that kind of bill would even pass, it's probably more for image.

 

[silverelan]

800v would be nice but I really don't have a problem with current charge speeds. Not a priority for me (and we road trip a ton).

It’s all about throughput. Long charge times are a contributing factor to the forum’s many issues & complaints surrounding DCFC.

Imagine a 4-stall EA station with a line of EVs waiting to charge. I guarantee you that the Ioniq 5 and Taycan are easier to wait behind than a MME, Bolt EV, or God forbid a BZ4X. If 1-2 of those chargers is broken or derated, your wait time just got infinitely worse.

 

[dbsb3233]

It’s all about throughput. Long charge times are a contributing factor to the forum’s many issues & complaints surrounding DCFC.

Imagine a 4-stall EA station with a line of EVs waiting to charge. I guarantee you that the Ioniq 5 and Taycan are easier to wait behind than a MME, Bolt EV, or God forbid a BZ4X. If 1-2 of those chargers is broken or derated, your wait time just got infinitely worse.

Sure, faster is certainly better, but it comes at a higher cost. I want the cars in front of me to charge as fast as possible though.

Of course, that only matters when it's working. I charged next to an EV6 Sunday that was drawing 71kw (at 45%) while I was getting 109. Just one example but in the random times I've looked, I see Kias not getting the super speed we hear about. Although a few have.

The other part that concerns me is that DCFC station cost goes exponentially higher the higher the kW, which means the more power, the fewer we'll get. Personally I'd rather see 6 150's at an EA station than 2+2 (150/350). Easy to say that with a car that peaks at 163 though. ?

 

[dbsb3233]

MME’s sales would do better if the specs were a bit more compelling. We’re still dealing with range and charging numbers that were fine in 2017, but unimpressive in 2019 when the car was revealed. It’s now 2024 and while the range is slightly improved, the charging times are woefully behind the competition.

Couple those metrics with the poor reputation surrounding the HVBJB and we see less interest than hoped.

Not sure I agree on the range. 310 EPA (for the most common Premium ER) is still one of the higher range numbers around for a vehicle the size of the MME. Some sedans get more, of course, but the MME is a taller crossover (one of the main reasons I chose it). 310 is still one of the best for that class of vehicle. And it's closer to reality than Tesla range.

The HVBJB reputation has surely hurt some, but I'm guessing most buyers haven't even heard about that part. I still think the loss of the tax credit is the biggie (relative to some competing vehicles like the Model Y). There's something psychological about the tax credits that make people feel screwed if they can't get it while they watch others getting it. They see tax $$ as their money (valid point) that they want some of back. Pisses them off to be disqualified.

Of course, there's also the broader issues affecting all car sales (they're all getting more and more expensive, and high interest rates make loans out of reach for many). But in this case we're talking about demand for the MME relative to other vehicles.

 

[Naren]

I would like see below are features for next Mach E
1. DC fast charging 10 to 80% in 30mins.
2.Heated rear seats
3. Ventilated front seats
4 . Auto dimming side view mirrors
5. Electronic steering adjustments
6. Ride comfort improvement

Expect 3 and 6 , tesla model Y has these features and cost 45k.

 

[Chuck]

Ford, please stop with the 'special editions,' where the core of the car pretty much remains the same. The Mach-E needs a REAL update!

In evaluating the EV competition out there, the following are a few observations of mine.

With the Mach-E, @Ford Motor Company hit the mark on many aspects:

• Driver-side and center screens
• Wireless CarPlay/Android Auto
• Generous frunk
• $0 Interior color choices
• Fair-priced paint options

But based on the competition and new laws, misses with:

• 400v architecture, limited to ~150kW DCFC charging
• Its infamous 'bouncy' ride (sheesh @Ford Motor Company, if MagnaRide is truly better, just include it in all Mach-Es!)
• Ineligibility for IRA discounts when purchasing

The market has matured, and the competition (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) now offers:

• 800v charging architecture, allowing DCFC speeds up to 350kW
• Greater efficiency: Up to 361 miles of range from a smaller battery pack
• Much better ride quality

Where Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fail miserably is:

• Wired CarPlay/Android Auto
• Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black
• Small-to-tiny frunks

With my Ford Options term ending in January 2025, I've been tracking the EV landscape in search of an EV that has everything I'm looking for without spending more than I did on my 2021 Mach-E Premium Extended Range RWD. So far, it's slim pickings!

What do others think? The forthcoming new models that I've read about, such as the ID.7, still fail to hit the mark on many of these benchmarks/features.

Meh.

 

[ChehRob]

The 'chassis' or whatever you would call it on the MME is an excellently reworked version of another model. I understand there is about a 200 pound penalty over a completely new design. Batteries and efficiencies will improve several years from now. The charging network and charging times will improve to the point that most will not need the future Extetnded Range Version. I suspect the standard range 2030 MME will be at least 600 pounds lighter, and that with modest improvements over today's extended range version.

 

[Socalsp3]

Pretty sure there’s no frunk (practically speaking) in the ionic 5. I wouldn’t even find a hood release in the one I rented to check it out.

There is a small frunk. About half size of mache

 

[onepunch]

Never have I seen a bill require people to purchase something new when/if it passes.

although I agree that the law likely would grandfather in anything that already existed, the Affordable Health Care Act did in fact set a precedent that a consumer can indeed be forced to purchase a product or service. That had never been done before in the history of this nation.

 

[Green Machine]

Certainly the lack of eligibility for Federal incentives isn't helping, as leases aren't for everyone.

True, but the major hold back I am sure is simple lack of effective charging options and range. These are horrible for traveling greater than 150 miles. My wife and I share this car as our commuter and errand runner, but for trips we have other vehicles. I think this is being rushed.

 

[mdolan92869]

Never have I seen a bill require people to purchase something new when/if it passes.

At most, it would be any new vehicles would have to have speed governors on them. Anyone with a vehicle from before the bill passes would still be able to drive their cars. You wouldn't be forced to purchase some new car.

Also very low chance that kind of bill would even pass, it's probably more for image.

I'm saying that if you want a new car around then and don't want your vehicle crippled, you have to buy one from the year before.

 

[Socalsp3]

although I agree that the law likely would grandfather in anything that already existed, the Affordable Health Care Act did in fact set a precedent that a consumer can indeed be forced to purchase a product or service. That had never been done before in the history of this nation.

Ever heard of auto insurance?

 

[skiingj]

Where Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fail miserably is:

• Wired CarPlay/Android Auto
• Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black
• Small-to-tiny frunks

• Wired CarPlay/Android Auto >>>>>Only partially true. GV60 supposedly has it coming soon via OTA. I bought a $40 adapter and it works seamlessly. Some KIA and Hyundai EV's have wireless, I know the IONIQ 6 has wireless.
• Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black. >>>>>Not True, the the GV60 and eGV70 have two or three interior color choices on base models.

I moved to a GV60 Performance from a Mach-E Premium five months ago with 9k miles so far. I find almost all aspects of the GV60P better than my Mach-E, including the dealer experience. So far only a few minor software annoyances. Nothing mechanically wrong with my GV60 as opposed to the 4+ months with my Mach-E at the dealer for minor issues over two years. The Mach-E has so much to like but for me it became a love / hate relationship that needed terminated.

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