I think the Solterra, bz4x, ID.4, Ariya, XC40, C40 are in the same "non-sporty family SUV" class -although the C40 is very quick.
With all due respect, I believe you have an EV6 GT Line rather than a GT. That distinction could be important if performance is a priority.
The the first EV6 GT arrived in the US and I pinged my Kia dealer who all said Jan 2023 for widespread arrival. Anyhow, at 206 miles of range it’s solely a track car. 77 kWh battery instead of 91 kWh of the MME. My GTPE struggled to get 230 miles of highway range so if I get a GT I’m not expecting it to be anything but a commuter car.
If we loosely define "goodness" as ability to perform desired use case + ability to delight, and "value" as a ratio of goodness to desired price point, then here are some musings on why someone may prefer the Ioniq 5 (which I traded for the MME) or the EV6 (which my wife currently drives). Hopefully it's evident where I'm just giving my opinion, and if you disagree with any of my empirical observations, feel free to chalk those up to opinion as well.
E-GMP value and function proposition:
Some of the UI observations may change as updates roll in.
- Riders and drivers whose ride sensitivity threshold is close to the limits of the MME's ability to absorb sharp impacts (bumpiness) and filter out oscillations (bounciness)
- DCFC speed: routinely sustained 150kw on 150kw EA chargers
- DCFC cost: 3 years of essentially unlimited charging for the Ioniq 5 can really add up for road trippers or apartment dwellers
- V2L: pain-free, plug-and-play backup power for the house or on the go. I've used this to keep my fridge and security system on after a storm, as well as run a vacuum, blower, and mini washing machine while cleaning the cars
- Warranty: 5-year b2b, 10 year drivetrain
- Greater control out-of-the-box for AC charging: universal charging limits via IP or app, AC charging rate (useful to prevent overloading a circuit)
- Much less fiddly climate control: no need to access pop-up panel to force recirculation mode, or change fan speed, etc.
- Arguably superior driving efficiency UI: front-and-center consumption rate instananeously, since last charge, and since last reset
- Situationally easier front-end maneuverability due to shorter hood
- Quicker within competitive set for AWD (large battery, non-performance versions)
- Outrageously quick-for-price performance models: full EV6 GT (not GT-Line) and presumed Ioniq 5 N have 575 hp, sub 12 second @ ~118 mph and EV6 GT supposedly starts at $63k US
- EV6 has longer rear cargo space, though much less height
- EV6 is significantly quieter at speed than my CART1 in terms of wind and road noise
- Ioniq 5 lower step-in height, higher cut door openings, sliding rear seat, and greater knee room can be advantages for transporting passengers based on physical requirements, such as children in a certain age range or elderly
- User selectable charge cable locking behavior
- Seat ventilation
- Much more practical placement of rear vents: in the b-pillars
Having said all that, the driving experience is somewhat more sterile IMO, and none of the pros would have me trading in the MME unless there was a significant financial upside.
The Meridian sound system in the EV6 is disappointing, to put it mildly. The base, non-branded system in the mid-level Ioniq 5 was much more pleasing in every way.
On the topic of finances though, it should be noted that the 2023 MME prices will need the full $7500 tax credit to be on price parity with the Ioniq 5 and EV6 unless they undergo massive hikes as well. If the supposed $63k price of the EV6 GT is any indication though, it doesn't look like that is happening yet.
With all due respect, I believe you have an EV6 GT Line rather than a GT. That distinction could be important if performance is a priority.
Exciting news.
You are correct. It is a GT Line. As a First Edition they weren't pushing that part of the designation. I've considered looking at the new GT when it hits the US. They shave another second off 0-60MPH and the suspension is more in the realm of the Magneride. You will lose the vented seats and the range dips close to 200.
If we loosely define "goodness" as ability to perform desired use case + ability to delight, and "value" as a ratio of goodness to desired price point, then here are some musings on why someone may prefer the Ioniq 5 (which I traded for the MME) or the EV6 (which my wife currently drives). Hopefully it's evident where I'm just giving my opinion, and if you disagree with any of my empirical observations, feel free to chalk those up to opinion as well.
E-GMP value and function proposition:
Some of the UI observations may change as updates roll in.
- Riders and drivers whose ride sensitivity threshold is close to the limits of the MME's ability to absorb sharp impacts (bumpiness) and filter out oscillations (bounciness)
- DCFC speed: routinely sustained 150kw on 150kw EA chargers
- DCFC cost: 3 years of essentially unlimited charging for the Ioniq 5 can really add up for road trippers or apartment dwellers
- V2L: pain-free, plug-and-play backup power for the house or on the go. I've used this to keep my fridge and security system on after a storm, as well as run a vacuum, blower, and mini washing machine while cleaning the cars
- Warranty: 5-year b2b, 10 year drivetrain
- Greater control out-of-the-box for AC charging: universal charging limits via IP or app, AC charging rate (useful to prevent overloading a circuit)
- Much less fiddly climate control: no need to access pop-up panel to force recirculation mode, or change fan speed, etc.
- Arguably superior driving efficiency UI: front-and-center consumption rate instananeously, since last charge, and since last reset
- Situationally easier front-end maneuverability due to shorter hood
- Quicker within competitive set for AWD (large battery, non-performance versions)
- Outrageously quick-for-price performance models: full EV6 GT (not GT-Line) and presumed Ioniq 5 N have 575 hp, sub 12 second @ ~118 mph and EV6 GT supposedly starts at $63k US
- EV6 has longer rear cargo space, though much less height
- EV6 is significantly quieter at speed than my CART1 in terms of wind and road noise
- Ioniq 5 lower step-in height, higher cut door openings, sliding rear seat, and greater knee room can be advantages for transporting passengers based on physical requirements, such as children in a certain age range or elderly
- User selectable charge cable locking behavior
- Seat ventilation
- Much more practical placement of rear vents: in the b-pillars
Having said all that, the driving experience is somewhat more sterile IMO, and none of the pros would have me trading in the MME unless there was a significant financial upside.
The Meridian sound system in the EV6 is disappointing, to put it mildly. The base, non-branded system in the mid-level Ioniq 5 was much more pleasing in every way.
On the topic of finances though, it should be noted that the 2023 MME prices will need the full $7500 tax credit to be on price parity with the Ioniq 5 and EV6 unless they undergo massive hikes as well. If the supposed $63k price of the EV6 GT is any indication though, it doesn't look like that is happening yet.
With all due respect, I believe you have an EV6 GT Line rather than a GT. That distinction could be important if performance is a priority.
Yeah, the Mach E is a really nice car, and even has a few advantages of it's own over the Ioniq 5 and EV6. You might not find the Ioniq 5 or EV6 particularly appeal to you in their design over the Mach E. But going done a practical feature list, they're both definitely better in most aspects.
If we loosely define "goodness" as ability to perform desired use case + ability to delight, and "value" as a ratio of goodness to desired price point, then here are some musings on why someone may prefer the Ioniq 5 (which I traded for the MME) or the EV6 (which my wife currently drives). Hopefully it's evident where I'm just giving my opinion, and if you disagree with any of my empirical observations, feel free to chalk those up to opinion as well.
E-GMP value and function proposition:
Some of the UI observations may change as updates roll in.
- Riders and drivers whose ride sensitivity threshold is close to the limits of the MME's ability to absorb sharp impacts (bumpiness) and filter out oscillations (bounciness)
- DCFC speed: routinely sustained 150kw on 150kw EA chargers
- DCFC cost: 3 years of essentially unlimited charging for the Ioniq 5 can really add up for road trippers or apartment dwellers
- V2L: pain-free, plug-and-play backup power for the house or on the go. I've used this to keep my fridge and security system on after a storm, as well as run a vacuum, blower, and mini washing machine while cleaning the cars
- Warranty: 5-year b2b, 10 year drivetrain
- Greater control out-of-the-box for AC charging: universal charging limits via IP or app, AC charging rate (useful to prevent overloading a circuit)
- Much less fiddly climate control: no need to access pop-up panel to force recirculation mode, or change fan speed, etc.
- Arguably superior driving efficiency UI: front-and-center consumption rate instananeously, since last charge, and since last reset
- Situationally easier front-end maneuverability due to shorter hood
- Quicker within competitive set for AWD (large battery, non-performance versions)
- Outrageously quick-for-price performance models: full EV6 GT (not GT-Line) and presumed Ioniq 5 N have 575 hp, sub 12 second @ ~118 mph and EV6 GT supposedly starts at $63k US
- EV6 has longer rear cargo space, though much less height
- EV6 is significantly quieter at speed than my CART1 in terms of wind and road noise
- Ioniq 5 lower step-in height, higher cut door openings, sliding rear seat, and greater knee room can be advantages for transporting passengers based on physical requirements, such as children in a certain age range or elderly
- User selectable charge cable locking behavior
- Seat ventilation
- Much more practical placement of rear vents: in the b-pillars
Having said all that, the driving experience is somewhat more sterile IMO, and none of the pros would have me trading in the MME unless there was a significant financial upside.
The Meridian sound system in the EV6 is disappointing, to put it mildly. The base, non-branded system in the mid-level Ioniq 5 was much more pleasing in every way.
On the topic of finances though, it should be noted that the 2023 MME prices will need the full $7500 tax credit to be on price parity with the Ioniq 5 and EV6 unless they undergo massive hikes as well. If the supposed $63k price of the EV6 GT is any indication though, it doesn't look like that is happening yet.
With all due respect, I believe you have an EV6 GT Line rather than a GT. That distinction could be important if performance is a priority.
Can you comment on your experience with Kia/Hyundai dealerships for servicing/maintenance issues? I've heard many horror stories and that's my biggest worry about purchasing a Kia EV right now.
I don't have any experience with the dealerships for service yet. I tend to do my own maintenance regardless of the car, including changing my own oil even when it was offered as complimentary on a variety of German cars. When working, these EVs don't need much: tire rotations, brake fluid, coolant every few years.
While it's impressive to shave a full second off a mid-4 sec 0-60 time, it only scratches the surface of the difference between these two.
