Real condition winter test Mach-E vs Tesla vs Audi E-Tron

[trutolife27]

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[ajmartineau]

 

[lwilliams0514]

Man, your gonna make me put you on my ban list. Gaslighting all the time.

The mache was not built for aero. It weighs a lot more than the model y. Of course, it's not going to be the same. What is true though it the mache gets closer to the range listed always when the model y underperforms time after time with its inflated numbers.

So in the summer or even in areas where the heat pump doesn't play a factor then the mache even would do better stack against the model y.

The bottom line it went further. Guess with your booohooo heat pump if ford put one on the mache is just beat that ass even more.

I was just about to say the same thing. The MME weighs considerably more than the Tesla and still beat it. Tesla's are notoriously inefficient but their aerodynamics help compensate for that. Plus the Tesla make 97% of their battery pack available to be used. Ford does not. I think that will change once Ford does some calibrations down the road but they are being SUPER conservative.

The point of the test is not to beat one or the other. It is to show that the MME is on par with the other great EVs on the market.

Just my two cents....

 

[silverelan]

Ok, let recalculate everything taking the same data the video provided. Whatever those people tried to test, they didn't come up with exactly correct numbers. And still, let's remember - the whole thing which car goes further is based on calculation, not on real test.

Let's just take Model Y and Mach E for comparison. Based on the number the video provided

Model Y - 75 kWh
Mach E - 88 kWh (88 !!!, not 99 as they stated in their video during the first few minutes)

So... Both cars travelled 285 km (for the american public it's 177.1 miles)

Model Y left with 20% of the battery - that is equal to 15 kWh (20% from 75kWh), means Model Y spent 60 kWh for 177.1 miles.

Mach E was left with 22% after traveling 177.1 miles - that is equal to 19.36kWh (22% from 88kWh) - means Mach E spent 68.64 kWh for 177.1 miles.

So, now let's calculate how many miles each of the vehicles traveled per one kWh spent:

Model Y - 177.1 divide by 60 = 2.95 miles for each kWh
Mach E - 177.1 divide by 68.64 = 2.58 miles for each kWh

Now, knowing the sizes of the batteries, let's calculate the distance each of the vehicles would travel after spending 100% of their batteries:

Model Y - 2.95 mi/kWh * 75 kWh = 221.25 miles
Mach E - 2.58 mi/kWh * 88 kWh = 227.04 miles

So, yes, looks like Mach E AWD Extended battery would travel 6 miles further than Tesla Model Y Long Range.

Their conclusion was generally right, I am not sure though, who came up with the number of 3.36 mi / kWh for Model Y - that was originally a source of confusion for me.

This was a very helpful explanation, thanks!

 

[Fat Mach]

True, but we've never heard of any other cars, except for Teslas, with flying roofs, so it's not likely Ford is starting it now.

True story. I was heading east on I80 through Davis once when an old VW van with a fiberglass top lost said top at about 60mph. It flew up about 40 feet then back down where it disintegrated upon impact with the highway. The driver never even hit the brakes...

 

[mkhuffman]

True, but we've never heard of any other cars, except for Teslas, with flying roofs, so it's not likely Ford is starting it now.

Mercedes has issued a recall on my E320 because the sunroof can de-laminate and fly off during driving. I don't think anyone has pictures, but it must have happened to someone.

 

[mkhuffman]

Do we know how many miles are on the Teslas used in the test? We all know batteries degrade with time and usage, so the testers are comparing a brand new Mach-E with well used and older Telsas. It seems to me a better test would be comparing brand new cars from both companies. Regardless, I find the results very reassuring because I agree that the Mach-E is a much more attractive car, inside and out. Especially inside. I really don't like the interior of the 3/Y, and is the primary reason I prefer the Mach-E. It is great to look good on the outside, but it is what is inside that counts. ;-) Especially because that is where you sit when you are on that 600 mile road trip.

 

[mr_raider]

No, they didn't show extrapolated 100% range - they travelled the same distance and left with different charge percentage - all I did - counted extrapolated total mileage based on actual efficiency.

No. All cars were charged to 100% at their office. At least that is what is stated in the intro.

 

[ajmartineau]

Not to stir the pot any more but...
0% on the battery isn't normally when the car stops moving. They need to drive them until they stop. @OutofSpecKyle looking forward to your MY, ID4, Mach-E testing comparison. Drive 'em until they stop! It will be a great review for a portable charging service.

 

[mr_raider]

Do we know how many miles are on the Teslas used in the test?

No. But we know the Y was purchased in summer 2020, and the 3 is an older LR model without the heat pump.

 

[supertramp]

No. All cars were charged to 100% at their office. At least that is what is stated in the intro.

Where did I say they were not charged 100% at the point of start?

 

[mr_raider]

Where did I say they were not charged 100% at the point of start?

I misunderstood the phrase "left with different charge percentage". You meant arrived with different charge percentage left.

 

[mkhuffman]

Little anti-free speech aren’t we.

There are a lot of lurkers out here, reading posts and not commenting. Like me, until now anyway.

From my perspective, I think some people are getting too defensive. We are all here because, for many different reasons, we like the Mach-E. Does it mean we all have to agree all the time? I hope not. I think SteelMach makes some really good points, and his conclusions are reasonable. Of course, the conclusions are his opinions and it is possible for fans of the Mach-E to have different opinions, I hope. trutolife27 has been posting here a long time and added a lot of value to those of us who lurk, like me. I have really enjoyed what he has to say especially when production was starting and all the inside info provided.

I am somewhat sad that people who have contributed positively to this community are now arguing about something that really does not need to be argued about. All we need to say is that we have a different perspective on the test and what it means, and that is OK. At least I think it is OK. And I want to continue to lurk and enjoy what I am reading. The hate and insults are really not enjoyable.

One day, when I decide to buy my Mach-E, I want to be able to share my excitement and experience here with like minded people. But not if we can't all just get along and be friends that disagree. Can we all just drink a beer together and admire the product we all purchased and enjoy?

 

[mr_raider]

It was a range test, not an efficiency test.

I'm curious about SR battery. It should lighter and get better efficiency, though less range. Either way it was very reassuring and I think I will be well served with what I will get.

 

[RoulezElectrique]

I am the guy who organized this winter condition test.

Ok, let recalculate everything taking the same data the video provided. Whatever those people tried to test, they didn't come up with exactly correct numbers. And still, let's remember - the whole thing which car goes further is based on calculation, not on real test.

Let's just take Model Y and Mach E for comparison. Based on the number the video provided

Model Y - 75 kWh
Mach E - 88 kWh (88 !!!, not 99 as they stated in their video during the first few minutes)

So... Both cars travelled 285 km (for the american public it's 177.1 miles)

I am the guy who organized this winter condition test. Be careful with the total battery capacity (which is a constant) and the usable battery capacity which can change depending on outside temperature or degradation overtime. So we know that the total capacity of the Mach-E big battery is 98,8 kWh ... the Tesla Model Y LR and Model 3 LR is 75 kWh TOTAL capacity. The usable capacity is lower than that.

I just can't wait to repeat the same test during summertime weather ... I'm pretty sure the range difference between the Model Y and Mach-E will be quite higher since the heat pump on the Y will give it zero advantage ... making the efficiency difference also lower IMHO.

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