Discovered: GTPE Delivers 5 Seconds of Full Power on Acceleration Then Reduces Battery Power to Limit Heating

[Frankie]

The people making nonstop excuses for Ford's deceptive advertising and sub-par performance are total garbage.

Keep making excuses for Ford's mediocre products and you'll never get anything but mediocre products.

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[sotek2345]

Please help me out on this one, and I mean no disrespect, but where exactly does FORD advertise race track capability? I understand the ONLY specs advertised were 0-60 times. And while the 0-60 times are respectable, I have yet to see either FORD or any of its "Racing" divisions advertise anything different.

Tony

In the Inside EV interview, Darren Palmer called the Mach-e GT a "once in a decade" performance vehicle.

 

[Brazenbuck]

I was the second person on the forum to take possession of one you dope. I didn't have the luxury of knowing what we know now.

Lol the mach-e in the name means its okay it can't keep up with this thing. Forget about "Mustang" and "GT" and "Performance Edition."

The trick on advertising? The trick of them advertising it has 480 hp but not mentioning it only makes that much power for 3 seconds? That's what youre blaming on customers not on Ford? You're a real piece of work.

You did, but you're too simple to see what was going on. Ford's website from day one has said those power numbers were based on peak battery power. Peak battery power means 100%. You'll never drive around with 100%.

You're mad because you now have a car that doesn't do what you thought it would do, based on clever marketing aimed at manipulating people such as yourself to assume performance that was never promised. If calling people dopes makes you feel like less of one, go ahead.

 

[BalsaDust]

In the Inside EV interview, Darren Palmer called the Mach-e GT a "once in a decade" performance vehicle.

Yes Darren does state that but there is no indication or factual statement about "Track performance" just his opinion of it being a performance vehicle.
Ford took a big hit in naming the car a Mustang and attempting to live up to its namesake, the ORIGINAL 1964, and here are its specs;

• Specifications.
• 1964-1/2 Ford Mustang.
• ENGINE TYPE. V-8, water-cooled, cast iron block. Displacement. 289 in3, 4727 cm3 Power. ...
• TRANSMISSION. 4-speed manual.
• DIMENSIONS. Wheelbase: 108.0 in. Length: 181.6 in. Width: 68.2 in. Height: 51.0 in. ...
• C/D TEST RESULTS. 60 mph: 8.2 sec. 100 mph: 28.1 sec. ¼-mile: 16.4 sec @ 81.5 mph.

For all intents and purposes the Mach-E out performs its namesake. But again, the Mach-E is an electric, heavy, four door, MUSTANG for the 21st century providing exhilarating performance, especially for those of us who remember its roots.

Tony

 

[BalsaDust]

The unbridled extended was added for track or rather dialing things down so you can have a longer time on track rather than 1 lap and done. In regards to marketing would you like to guess which word appears in title of this media release .

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...mustang-mach-e-gt-gt-performance-edition.html

There is a lot of potential in the vehicle if it was to be unleashed then it would be worthy of marketing using the name GT performance edition, at the moment it is only worthy of using the term GT cosmetic edition as once you get up past 60mph it basically becomes an awd premium edition in a sporty frock.

You have shown me proof and I concur, unfortunately they only mention closed COURSE tracks, not 1/4 mile and I believe that is what has most people here upset.

Tony

 

[buzznwood]

The only reason I went for the GTPE was due it being the only option to get adaptive suspension and no glass roof, of course Ford still found a way to give me the middle finger by not separating out the 360 camera option from the glass roof, so any performance was a bonus and not essential.

However I find it ironic that the GTPE replaced my Focus RS which I ultimately found a major let down as it never lived up to its performance potential so I fully understand those that feel the GTPE is seriously lacking which if one it to base it on the metric of EV performance it certainly is.

Not calling out but do people defending with the 'what do you expect' excuses even bother to read any of the press releases, I honestly can't see how anyone can with a straight face think performance wasn't pushed, when you have press titles like this

Ready for a Track Near You: Mustang Mach-E GT and GT Performance Edition Ready for Customer Orders

and comments like these,

“With Mustang Mach-E GT and Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Edition, we’re pushing the boundaries of what an electric vehicle can offer,” said Dave Pericak, vehicle program director. “These Mustang Mach-E models not only give customers the added capability expected from the GT name, but the responsiveness of their electric powertrains will ensure they have a thrilling experience behind the wheel.”

So I guess in the context of the GTPE, unlike every other performance EV Ford some how managing to make one that shits the bed after a few seconds, have indeed lived up to pushing the boundaries, while being no better at higher speeds over the preimum awd is truly adding the capability expected from the GT name and that anyone thinking otherwise when pre-ordering just read it wrong ?

 

[Mach1E]

You have shown me proof and I concur, unfortunately they only mention closed COURSE tracks, not 1/4 mile and I believe that is what has most people here upset.

Tony

Fwiw, it’s actually both that have people upset.

Have you seen the GTPE police edition track results? Horrific.

It was slower around a track than every other police vehicle except an F150 and Durango v6…… and it only barely beat those. The Durango v8 beat it.

And no one brags about a Durango around race track.

Just for some extra marketing proof about track performance, here is one of the first videos that was released of the GTPE…… and it’s around a track. Released a day before orders opened up.

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-gt-first-ride-review-exclusive/


And where was the first press event held? At an AutoX course.

Again, ALL the GTPE marketing has even centered around either acceleration or track performance. So it’s no wonder we got our hopes up.

Yes, I’m still hoping for an official response from Ford and official reviews….. hopefully in the next two weeks before mine shows up at the dealer.

 

[DevSecOps]

Please help me out on this one, and I mean no disrespect, but where exactly does FORD advertise race track capability?

This was one of the first videos I ever saw on the GTPE... It's on a track, they are in race gear and it's with the "father" of the Ford performance team.

@Mach1E We posted the same video at the same time. Mine's better tho! ?

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Salt in the air tonight ??.

I’m reading Ford apologists.

I’m reading Ford detractors.

I’m reading Mach E GT/PE marketing genius analyses.

Durango V-6 keeps entering the fray.

5 seconds is the new black.

GT never touted for track work. ?

Videos of GTs on track with lead project mgr. touting sustained track ability as paramount. ?

5 seconds anyone? ??

Hella quick 0-60s of 3.5 already confirmed. ??

Class leading 1/8th mile ETs of 7.7s confirmed. ????

Pretty quick 1/4 mile ETs of 12.3-12.4 confirmed. ?

1/4 mile trap speeds equal to or slower than MME 4X. ??‍

Above point renders moot any argument favoring Ford’s decisions at this point in time.

Because the 480 HP GT and GTPE cannot have lesser high speed pull/power than the 346 HP 4X. And that is exactly what the GT’s equal or lesser 1/4 mile trap speed is showing us is happening.

 

[Maki 1]

Hi guys. Don´t know, if this was mentioned yet, but it´s not news, that the overboost ist limited. https://mustang-mach-e.fordpresskits.com/
In the documents.
"Calculated via peak performance of the electric motors at peak battery power. Your results may vary. 487 PS performance boost delivered for 5 seconds."

 

[ate2aqtr]

Just make it 7.5 seconds available from any mph....... and 99% would be happy. Fixes 0-80 mph and any passing scenarios on the highway while getting trap speed closer too 110 mph. Give us another 2.5 seconds ford!!!!! I would feel much better taking delivery end Oct/Beginning Nov on my GT. Am I asking for too much?? 7.5!!! not 5 seconds and from any mph to start

 

[Mach1E]

Hi guys. Don´t know, if this was mentioned yet, but it´s not news, that the overboost ist limited. https://mustang-mach-e.fordpresskits.com/
In the documents.
"Calculated via peak performance of the electric motors at peak battery power. Your results may vary. 487 PS performance boost delivered for 5 seconds."

Definitely not mentioned yet.

I click the link, but clicking the document isn’t working for me.

I have never seen that mentioned by Ford anywhere else. They definitely buried that detail.

Does it mention how much power it’s supposed to have without the 5 second boost?

 

[JoeDimwit]

But in contrast, the Cyclone could be tuned by a garage hobbyist to overcome these deficiencies. EVs cannot

… yet.

Fixed it for ya

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Hi guys. Don´t know, if this was mentioned yet, but it´s not news, that the overboost ist limited. https://mustang-mach-e.fordpresskits.com/
In the documents.
"Calculated via peak performance of the electric motors at peak battery power. Your results may vary. 487 PS performance boost delivered for 5 seconds."

Here’s the problem with that - all other makers claiming an “overboost” feature are citing 2 power figures, the one you get all of the time and the one you get for the “overboost” duration. I.e., Porsche’s Taycan Turbo is rated at 616HP but will overboost to 671 when launch control is activated. Or, the various current turbo cars that will allow a set duration overboost of 8,12, or 20 seconds from their rated SAE HP to the temporary overboost HP.
See Hyundai’s Veloster N, which, incidentally, traps 105 in the 1/4, just to rub it in ??‍.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/amp35031677/2021-hyundai-veloster-n-by-the-numbers/

Ford has never claimed a higher overboost HP # that I’ve ever seen, it’s always been 480 and that’s it. So, it needs to be 480 and stay 480, not 480 then 250 or 300 after 5 seconds. Because in that case the rating needs to be 300HP (or whatever) SAE with 480HP available for 5 second overboost.

 

[Maki 1]

Definitely not mentioned yet.

I click the link, but clicking the document isn’t working for me.

I have never seen that mentioned by Ford anywhere else. They definitely buried that detail.

Does it mention how much power it’s supposed to have without the 5 second boost?

Without overboost, i think it's the Power of the non PE GT.
After 15 sec you regain full power.
I can't link the details, but you find it in the press Release in the documents folder.

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