What is the most you would pay for a Mach E

[Blue highway]

I wouldn't pay for a GTPE after having the Premium unless the GTPE came down to sub-$50k. But even then the Premium would probably be around $38k... and again would have a hard time paying for a GTPE. I wanted a GTPE before we got the Premium because I thought the Mag ride was going to be something we always wished we had, but now that we have put miles on the Premium, and after taking it down a dirt road yesterday, I see no reason at all to pay the up charge on a GTPE, at least in terms of the value for the mag ride.

So for OPs question, probably not a good candidate. If it was a more general, what would I pay for the car we bought, I think what we paid is about the cap. I wouldn't pay '23 prices for almost any EV out there with their current limitations compared to an ICE or Plug-in hybrid. Our '22 Premium would be almost $19k more expensive in '23 due to price increase and loss of tax credit.

I love this car, which I should probably have started with. Ford nailed it and I have no issues with what we got. After A-Plan, rebate, tax credit, and what we got for selling our Focus Electric (for thousands more than we bought it for), this car will cost us around $42k (with taxes included). I think that is a great price.

If we had to wait for a '23, that came in 2023 anyway as it seems some '23 owners might get theirs before EoY, the car would cost us about $60k after just A-Plan and selling the Focus, and assuming no or minimal tax credit. It's a fantastic vehicle, just not a $60k vehicle. Especially given that after rebates and A-Plan, that is only a couple thousand less than our infinitely more capable in almost every metric 2021 F-150 PowerBoost, that aside from having more interior room, hauls more, tows more, has cooled seats and second row heated seats, and can function as a 7.2kW generator.

Again, not knocking the Mach-E AT ALL. I have been stealing the Mach-E every chance I get as I love driving it. It's just a conversation about value for money, and the new prices just don't make sense on that front. Heck, even if I tried to buy the '23 version of my F-150, it would cost about $8k more just in MSRP, and have fewer features than my '21 due to chip shortage feature removal. I wouldn't pay that either. Hoping these two vehicles last us until prices make sense again.

In terms of prices making sense again, I'm seeing some softening in used car prices... but I am doubtful that MSRP will ever come down... I don't think they ever have.

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[Vulnox]

In terms of prices making sense again, I'm seeing some softening in used car prices... but I am doubtful that MSRP will ever come down... I don't think they ever have.

Yeah I worry about that. The price increases were due to commodity price increases, or at least that's what we have been told (including in company meetings). So with that logic prices should come down as commodity prices improve, which will happen eventually assuming no further big shake ups. But yeah, it's rare for MSRP to drop. I think the Chevy Bolt is the only example I know of with any significant price target change in a long while.

But it's unusual times all around, maybe things will improve if enough people like us (and it seems others in this thread) find the higher prices to be too much. There is more demand than supply now, but that won't always be the case. Even if they don't drop MSRP, they could throw some cash on the hood in rebates and I consider that to be the same thing overall.

 

[VindictivePantz]

Any car purchase is throwing money into a hole in the ground, and I paid too much for mine, but it was within reasonable range.

I had an opportunity at a new 2022 GT at $75k, and once it crosses the $60k mark, the difference in build quality between a Ford and an Audi is night and day, and I'd go with an Audi eTron hands-down. (I kept what I have.)

The "cheap" turn signal/wiper controls, the knobs, the fickleness of the frunk closing, etc. are well below "luxury" price expectations.

 

[Nklem]

Here is my 7 year cost of Ownership (Fuel, Sales Tax, interest) model for the cars I considered after my Mach E was sold. Assumed 18,500 miles per year driven. Cost per Month, per year and total cost. This assumes free Power at work for the majority of my EV Driving. It excludes registration/Excise Tax. This was assuming $5.00 Gas costs. 3.49% financing and you can do better today. Also the Federal Rebate in play on the EVs and Plug in's. (this was done before August 23, 2022 when the Ioniq 5 was Qualified). I know the Lightning's will not be able to be met with at work charging as they are too inefficient, but I did not include that.

Basically for me it was no more MSRP than my 2021 Mach E, $56,500. Plus I really wanted to stay EV if possible.

		Lighting Pro	Mach E Premium ER	Lightning ER Lariat	Ioniq 5 Limited	Sonata Limited Gas	Sonata Hybrid	Santa Fe Plug In SEL	Santa Fe Plug In Limited	Tuscon plug in	Tuscon hybrid	Jeep 4XE	Base, Jeep sahara, Gas	Hemi Crew Ram Gas	Santa Fe Caligraphy Gas
MSRP		$ 53,000	$ 68,500	$ 92,000	$ 56,755	$ 35,900	$ 36,795	$ 41,975	$ 47,975	$ 45,055	$ 45,055	$ 60,500	$ 54,080	$ 60,000	$ 43,000
7 year	Total cost	$ 53,200	$ 71,655	$ 101,635	$ 59,709	$ 61,830	$ 57,081	$ 51,775	$ 58,919	$ 55,442	$ 71,301	$ 80,380	$ 92,986	$ 106,741	$ 77,027
	cost/year	$ 7,600	$ 10,236	$ 14,519	$ 8,530	$ 8,833	$ 8,154	$ 7,396	$ 8,417	$ 7,920	$ 10,186	$ 11,483	$ 13,284	$ 15,249	$ 11,004
7 year	Cost/Month	$ 633	$ 853	$ 1,210	$ 711	$ 736	$ 680	$ 616	$ 701	$ 660	$ 849	$ 957	$ 1,107	$ 1,271	$ 917
Assumes $5.00 Gas

 

[West1134]

In terms of prices making sense again, I'm seeing some softening in used car prices... but I am doubtful that MSRP will ever come down... I don't think they ever have.

Yeah I worry about that. The price increases were due to commodity price increases, or at least that's what we have been told (including in company meetings). So with that logic prices should come down as commodity prices improve, which will happen eventually assuming no further big shake ups. But yeah, it's rare for MSRP to drop. I think the Chevy Bolt is the only example I know of with any significant price target change in a long while.

But it's unusual times all around, maybe things will improve if enough people like us (and it seems others in this thread) find the higher prices to be too much. There is more demand than supply now, but that won't always be the case. Even if they don't drop MSRP, they could throw some cash on the hood in rebates and I consider that to be the same thing overall.

100% agree. I don't think MSRP will ever go down once the line has been drawn and set. Only thing I see happening, is a stagnation in the market, and manufacturer incentives etc. coming out to temporarily drive the price down to move units.

 

[dtbaker61]

Seeing how car prices keep getting increase, what is the most you would pay for a GTPE before looking at something else? Ask another way, what's the most FORD can charge for a MME GTPE before you start looking elsewhere?

Now that the GTPE is approaching 80k out the door, its really getting hard to justify such a high price when there are tons of other options available.

Granted the EVs are more expensive than ICE, but 80k can get you into a base Porsche or nicely option BMW, Merc, Audi.

I would not (and did not) buy any trim level above Select AWD.

In my opinion, the added performance at GT and GTPE levels is not cost effective if you are really after performance. The Mach-e is too big and too heavy to ever be a 'super-car'. I would wait for a small BEV coupe/roadster if I was after trackable performance. I'd bet you can find a used Tesla Roadster for right around $100k. The performance with the MME Select Trim AWD is plenty good for a daily drive SUV. It looks good, performance is 'plenty' and MSRP is competitive with other brands at similar performance levels. We used to think sub-6 second 0-60mph with decent handling was plenty good for a daily driver, and in my mind it still is.

so..... for a decent looking SUV with decent performance and 200+mile range for under $50k was my limit.... and still is if I were to go shopping today.

 

[voxel]

Here is my 7 year cost of Ownership (Fuel, Sales Tax, interest) model for the cars I considered after my Mach E was sold.

		Lighting Pro	Mach E Premium ER	Lightning ER Lariat	Ioniq 5 Limited	Sonata Limited Gas	Sonata Hybrid	Santa Fe Plug In SEL	Santa Fe Plug In Limited	Tuscon plug in	Tuscon hybrid	Jeep 4XE	Base, Jeep sahara, Gas	Hemi Crew Ram Gas	Santa Fe Caligraphy Gas
MSRP		$ 53,000	$ 68,500	$ 92,000	$ 56,755	$ 35,900	$ 36,795	$ 41,975	$ 47,975	$ 45,055	$ 45,055	$ 60,500	$ 54,080	$ 60,000	$ 43,000
7 year	Total cost	$ 53,200	$ 71,655	$ 101,635	$ 59,709	$ 61,830	$ 57,081	$ 51,775	$ 58,919	$ 55,442	$ 71,301	$ 80,380	$ 92,986	$ 106,741	$ 77,027
	cost/year	$ 7,600	$ 10,236	$ 14,519	$ 8,530	$ 8,833	$ 8,154	$ 7,396	$ 8,417	$ 7,920	$ 10,186	$ 11,483	$ 13,284	$ 15,249	$ 11,004
7 year	Cost/Month	$ 633	$ 853	$ 1,210	$ 711	$ 736	$ 680	$ 616	$ 701	$ 660	$ 849	$ 957	$ 1,107	$ 1,271	$ 917
Assumes $5.00 Gas

I suspect the RAV4 Prime (bought at MSRP) with the tax credit would probably be the lowest TCO over 7 years. It was bullet proof to me and I rarely heard of any issues from other owners when I owned one. EV mode was easily in the upper 40 mile range and gas mpg was definitely 36mpg or better in my experience. Since it used regular RAV4 parts.. it would be cheap to repair too.

The problem is... I didn't enjoy driving it on the highways. It was noisy, buzzy, and the audio/infotainment was 10 years old. TCO be damned. I much prefer driving the Mach-E (or a Model Y).

 

[Nklem]

I suspect the RAV4 Prime (bought at MSRP) with the tax credit would probably be the lowest TCO over 7 years. It was bullet proof to me and I rarely heard of any issues from other owners when I owned one. EV mode was easily in the upper 40 mile range and gas mpg was definitely 36mpg or better in my experience. Since it used regular RAV4 parts.. it would be cheap to repair too.

The problem is... I didn't enjoy driving it on the highways. It was noisy, buzzy, and the audio/infotainment was 10 years old. TCO be damned. I much prefer driving the Mach-E (or a Model Y).

Yup just compare with the Tucson plug in. That’s why so did not list it separately. I was sticking with Hyundai due to the fantastic warranties. The RAV 4s have an issue with Salt corrosion on the hybrid components in New England. A buddy just got an $8k bill on an out of warranty 2 year old Hybrid….

 

[jeffdawgfan]

Not a cent over MSRP.....

 

[Moomin]

Yup just compare with the Tucson plug in. That’s why so did not list it separately. I was sticking with Hyundai due to the fantastic warranties. The RAV 4s have an issue with Salt corrosion on the hybrid components in New England. A buddy just got an $8k bill on an out of warranty 2 year old Hybrid….

I can confirm this. I had a 2010 Rav and the shocks rusted right through the supports (both rear sides). Their solution was to take a "slightly" larger washer over the holes. I quickly traded the car in since I wouldn't even give it a year before they just pushed through again. Serisouly...Why would you not place a large washer over the rusted area? (picture a 3/4" hole with a now 1" washer?) vehicle was only 8 years when it happened.

 

[connoisseurr]

New MSRP.

Used, MSRP less $0.50-$1.00/mile, depending on manufacture date, miles driven, and location of ownership.

 

[jay1122]

I don't think MME GT is worth the price tag. Select and Premium is the sweet spot as a sporty daily SUV. Every time I look at the price of the MME GT. I look at the price of the C8 Corvette. One side is a mid engine real sports car. Other side is a big lump of mass with 5 sec power limit. I honestly think the C8 corvette is a gift to Americans. Very hard to get that price performance ratio in other countries. If I don't have to drive 24K per year, I probably will get the C8 corvette.

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