Looking forward to Tesla Supercharger Adaptor but....

[Jimrpa]

Ukrainian

I didn’t think Ukraine had a different adaptor?

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[ChasingCoral]

I didn’t think Ukraine had a different adaptor?

It's for the electric armored vehicles ?

 

[AKgrampy]

I already ordered this for the bed of my Lightning. I don't think any Tesla fanboys will give me any guff.

Unfortunately you can’t fire and charge at the same time - blame it on Ford!

 

[SWO]

The Taycan owner IMO should attempt to educate the Bolt owner why he should move to the available 100kW plug in lieu of using the only 350kW plug. That's not because he owns a Porsche, it just makes sense.

Sorry but this just comes off as pretentious/entitled on the part of the Taycan owner, IMO.

Also, EA chargers are so unreliable I've had to go down the line from charger to charger finding one that works, I'm over being a Karen over what speed charger someone is at.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Sorry but this just comes off as pretentious/entitled on the part of the Taycan owner, IMO.

A Porsche owner acting entitled?

 

[dtbaker61]

I'm looking forward to acquiring/using the Tesla Supercharger Adaptor but:


2. Since we will only be able to use Supercharger V3+, ...

please clarify
- what is the difference between v3+ and previous versions of superchargers that disallow use of NACS asaptor ?

 

[bbulkow]

please clarify
- what is the difference between v3+ and previous versions of superchargers that disallow use of NACS adapter ?

NACS and Supercharger use different data protocols at the physical layer, per wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard

Tesla proprietary uses CANBUS, CCS uses a form of powerline, NACS adopted CCS to allow pass-thru.

One can imagine with that large a difference in control protocol at the physical layer, early chargers weren't built with the necessary powerline hardware, and it is too much of a hassle / is very hard to upgrade that part of the charger - the kind of difference that would require a hardware upgrade - designing a module that fits in - cracking open a V2 replace a bit of the guts and convert it to a "V2+" with NACS support.

At some point in the design cycle Tesla likely decided to support both (which they must have had to do in their cars for a long time so had designs and modules to do so), so added the capability in v3.

Would make sense at least, my only info is from wikipedia, maybe there's a deeper story.

 

[dtbaker61]

NACS and Supercharger use different data protocols at the physical layer, per wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard

Tesla proprietary uses CANBUS, CCS uses a form of powerline, NACS adopted CCS to allow pass-thru.

One can imagine with that large a difference in control protocol at the physical layer, early chargers weren't built with the necessary powerline hardware, and it is too much of a hassle / is very hard to upgrade that part of the charger - the kind of difference that would require a hardware upgrade - designing a module that fits in - cracking open a V2 replace a bit of the guts and convert it to a "V2+" with NACS support.

At some point in the design cycle Tesla likely decided to support both (which they must have had to do in their cars for a long time so had designs and modules to do so), so added the capability in v3.

Would make sense at least, my only info is from wikipedia, maybe there's a deeper story.

so.... when we finally DO get adaptors, and we pull up to a supercharger, how can we tell externally whether it supports NACS adaptor ?

check ahead with plugshare ?

 

[DRCal68]

As I understand it , the NACS (CCS) Superchargers are labeled as 250 kW, the older ones are 150 kW or less. MME Nav will only list the 250 kW stations. This can be filtered in ABRP or Plugshare.

 

[timbop]

so.... when we finally DO get adaptors, and we pull up to a supercharger, how can we tell externally whether it supports NACS adaptor ?

check ahead with plugshare ?

Since the whole point of Ford doing this is to alleviate charging problems, I would expect that the built-in NAV will be updated to only include >=v3 superchargers. ABRP has already done this, and I have every confidence that Ford will be able to find someone that can correctly add that criterion to the algorithm.

 

[leehinde]

I certainly hope the adapters come with way to lock them in place. Otherwise, someone can press the stop button on the Mach e, pull the charging cable, and steal the adapter.

This. ?

 

[cdiv]

so.... when we finally DO get adaptors, and we pull up to a supercharger, how can we tell externally whether it supports NACS adaptor ?

v2 Superchargers have thicker cables and their pedestals are numbered 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, and so on. v3 Superchargers will be unnumbered or numbered 1, 2, 3, 4. I vaguely recall hearing about some installations that are numbered 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 2A, etc, but I'm not sure about that.

I don't know if there are any V1s left.

 

[Jimrpa]

Sorry but this just comes off as pretentious/entitled on the part of the Taycan owner, IMO.

Also, EA chargers are so unreliable I've had to go down the line from charger to charger finding one that works, I'm over being a Karen over what speed charger someone is at.

Remember, you’re talking about a manufacturer who blocked off an entire charging station for some YouTuber ?

 

[EvanYeung]

Unfortunately you can’t fire and charge at the same time - blame it on Ford!

Five seconds full auto. Then the rate of fire drops to semiautomatic…

 

[kodiakng]

v2 Superchargers have thicker cables and their pedestals are numbered 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, and so on. v3 Superchargers will be unnumbered or numbered 1, 2, 3, 4. I vaguely recall hearing about some installations that are numbered 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 2A, etc, but I'm not sure about that.

I don't know if there are any V1s left.

based on https://supercharge.info/data there appear to be ~185 v1 sites still around. and with ~2,013 v2 sites we'll have a few folks wandering into some not knowing.

here is a visual: (from this youtube video)

my visual cue is the silver band along with the cable thickness on the v2 side.

EDIT: fixed the youtube video link

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