12/17 Updates Released

[ProximusAl]

I always thought it was a do at your own risk, isn't that what the mega do your own updates thread says? That you can brick your car and you're screwed or something?

You have to remember that flashing modules has risks. Of course it does.

however, if you fully understand what you are doing e.g. Making sure you use a proper power supply (which many don’t) then you shouldn’t have any issues.

I’ve even seen dealer techs doing updates without putting a maintainer on. Ridiculous. If the LVB dies during a module update then yes…you’re gonna have a brick. It is understanding that *should* that happen you do it properly and just re flash the module.

If Ford pushes a *bad* update to FDRS then yes…this is a problem. The difference being if you do it…it’s your problem…if the dealer does it..it’s theirs.

If I ever have a problem with using FDRS that is catastrophic I ring the dealer and say “My car is broke”. This has never happened.

By using FDRS, you have to accept an element of risk, but don’t forget…it’s exactly the same as what the dealers are doing

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[breeves002]

I always thought it was a do at your own risk, isn't that what the mega do your own updates thread says? That you can brick your car and you're screwed or something?

Lets be real, anything you do to your car is at your own risk. It's just assumed. In the sue happy world no one wants liability.

In reality supported software updates released officially for a vehicle that are installed with supported, official software shouldn't have an issue...but here we are.

 

[breeves002]

You have to remember that flashing modules has risks. Of course it does.

however, if you fully understand what you are doing e.g. Making sure you use a proper power supply (which many don’t) then you shouldn’t have any issues.

I’ve even seen dealer techs doing updates without putting a maintainer on. Ridiculous. If the LVB dies during a module update then yes…you’re gonna have a brick. It is understanding that *should* that happen you do it properly and just re flash the module.

If Ford pushes a *bad* update to FDRS then yes…this is a problem. The difference being if you do it…it’s your problem…if the dealer does it..it’s theirs.

If I ever have a problem with using FDRS that is catastrophic I ring the dealer and say “My car is broke”. This has never happened.

By using FDRS, you have to accept an element of risk, but don’t forget…it’s exactly the same as what the dealers are doing

I don't put the battery charger on half of the time

I'll do it when I realize it's a long update or the battery hits 12v even. Luckily FDRS shows LVB voltage in the bottom right. Anything over 10.7V is good enough to not shut modules off. Though I don't recommend this and anyone doing updates needs to put a 12v charger on the car. Do as I say don't do as I do...

Not to mention it is usually recoverable if an update does fail mid cycle and 'bricks' the module. Ford did work in provisions for that luckily. You can force it to update without being able to talk to the module correctly.

You are correct though. Technically this bad ABS update we could bring the car to the dealer for. Now I'm not sure what they'd do, maybe nothing...but we could bring it there and it would be covered under warranty since it is their fault for releasing bad software. If they didn't want us doing it they wouldn't allow the public to do software updates.

 

[bwr1338]

Edit: This has been an evolving thread as there have been issues with various updates and Ford has been adding/removing/changing them on the fly.

Note: This breaks lane centering and blue cruise as of now for later build cars if you run the ABS update. No one has been able to run the IPC update yet due to scan tool limitations to see if that will fix it.

Edit: Below was written on 12/17 and slightly edited over the next few days as more information became available

Looks like some new updates were released for various vehicles today. Note not sure exactly what vehicles these were released for. Peoples results are all over the place.

3 updates for newer build cars (Late June +)
2 updates were also released for older build cars

Pre June updates:
APIM - USB required update
IPC
ABS - Became available 12/21

Post June updates:
GWM - USB required update
TCU
IPC
ABS - Not available anymore as of 12/21

Note. Only the GWM and ABS update worked for me. TCU/IPC downloaded the software, then checked and did not update. The TCU/IPC stay in the list of requiring an update like the PCM but no update is installed when it is run.

Important: The APIM update likely brings the newer vehicles up to the same status as the later builds along with the IPC which makes both of those compatible together. I would not recommend updating one without updating the other!!

Also I recommend always doing a GWM update FIRST when available.

Possible PCM but that's been bugged so I doubt it. I will update shortly and report back. It appears they are getting these ready for OTA updates with the GWM and TCU updates. Not sure what the IPC update is about. No new TSBs/SSMs today.

The GWM update is likely the 2.1.0 OTA that hasn't been pushed yet. Unconfirmed though. TCU OTA update we are likely too see soon too. Also my guessing, this is all unconfirmed.

This is my third update in 2021 from Ford. Tesla has issued 39 OTA updates. We are starting to catch up!

 

[DevSecOps]

@breeves002 I just had a chance to check FDRS for my GTPE and I can confirm that the ABS update is gone from the available updates as well.

 

[tonesto7]

Wow... I didn't realize asking about a cable would spark so much activity.
I will say that @breeves002 was right about the recent FRDS updates.

I can't get any of them to actually install. I tried the GWM thinking I would have to use a USB but it started the process of collecting data and then said it was done.
Same with the IPC upgrade.

 

[DevSecOps]

I will say that @breeves002 was right about the recent OTA.

You might want to re-word OTA to FDRS updates (or something of the sort) otherwise you'll spark a whole slew of comments and conspiracy theories. These are NOT OTA.

 

[tonesto7]

You might want to re-word OTA to FDRS updates (or something of the sort) otherwise you'll spark a whole slew of comments and conspiracy theories. These are NOT OTA.

Oh crap your right I was on autopilot typing

 

[BMT1071]

You are correct though. Technically this bad ABS update we could bring the car to the dealer for. Now I'm not sure what they'd do, maybe nothing...but we could bring it there and it would be covered under warranty since it is their fault for releasing bad software. If they didn't want us doing it they wouldn't allow the public to do software updates.

I'm not sure what the dealer's position would be on something like that.
As far as Ford allowing updates, they don't have a choice. The Right to Repair Act forces them to make updates publicly accessible.

 

[breeves002]

I'm not sure what the dealer's position would be on something like that.
As far as Ford allowing updates, they don't have a choice. The Right to Repair Act forces them to make updates publicly accessible.

Good point, didn't think about right to repair.

In reality if you go in and say 'my blue cruise says not available' they'll read codes, call the hotline and figure something out. Engineering can look up the update history. They can either give the dealer the old update to run or tell them to replace the module....though probably would take weeks.

I have a good feeling Ford accidentally released the ABS update for Job 2 cars when they meant to do it for Job 1. So now we have pre-BC ABS software. @ProximusAl if you update yours can you please send me the software versions so I can see if that's what was put on my car?

 

[DevSecOps]

I have a good feeling Ford accidentally released the ABS update for Job 2 cars when they meant to do it for Job 1. So now we have pre-BC ABS software. @ProximusAl if you update yours can you please send me the software versions so I can see if that's what was put on my car?

I wonder if the FORScan folks have the Job2 Original ABS software. Somehow they get their hands on previous and current versions.

 

[breeves002]

I wonder if the FORScan folks have the Job2 Original ABS software. Somehow they get their hands on previous and current versions.

I just asked @benk016 in a PM for him to possibly send me his software versions if he can. I can flash it with UCDS. Though I'd rather Ford just release the correct update for Job 2 cars that would let us revert...

UCDS has this awesome module updater but I don't think it supports the Mach E yet. When they add support you can see all available updates and you can see the last several versions of a module software. Then you can flash those older versions if you so desire. At least they have the VBF loader which allows you to flash custom software to any module you just have to have the boot loader and files. You can download all of the files from Ford with no login.

 

[DevSecOps]

I just asked @benk016 in a PM for him to possibly send me his software versions if he can. I can flash it with UCDS.

UCDS has this awesome module updater but I don't think it supports the Mach E yet. When they add support you can see all available updates and you can see the last several versions of a module software. Then you can flash those older versions if you so desire. At least they have the VBF loader which allows you to flash custom software to any module you just have to have the boot loader and files. You can download all of the files from Ford with no login.

If Ben can get it then we could flash back with FORScan as well. To Ben... I've helped you out a lot, pull through for us ?

 

[breeves002]

If Ben can get it then we could flash back with FORScan as well.

Do we know if anyone with a GT that didn't update ABS but has FDRS still has that update listed or did it disappear for them too? That would be a good thing to know. I find it odd that when you run configuration it checks for an ABS update but finds none available. The software of it now cannot match the database if they recalled that update....

 

[DevSecOps]

Do we know if anyone with a GT that didn't update ABS but has FDRS still has that update listed or did it disappear for them too? That would be a good thing to know. I find it odd that when you run configuration it checks for an ABS update but finds none available. The software of it now cannot match the database if they recalled that update....

I have a ton of GT VINs. Let me run one

@breeves002 ... So this might be bad news. I just ran the VIN for @HuntingPudel who's car I updated a few weeks ago. He doesn't have the ABS as we suspected he wouldn't, but he also doesn't have the GWM, which we both flashed. So that would mean that we flashed 2 modules that are both now removed.

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