22S41 Recall Software - Server Deployment Issue

[scoopman]

I still don't believe Ford will proactively replace the hardware. They are probably just tuning the software parameters to reduce false positives and a new version will be in FDRS soon. The new version will be tested on the road by the early adopters and so on.
The thing I am curious about is what instructions will be given to the dealers regarding addressing the DTC. I am worried that "clear the code and the car is ok if it doesn't come back immediately" will become the official service procedure.

This is just Sunday morning speculation Chris, but I don't think the PTS system would have removed all record of the 22S41 recall campaign if they just were going to make a software tweak.

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[DevSecOps]

Wasn't that the case with the B part already? ?

Yes and I don't think anyone knows why it's now "C".

It could be just an internal numbering change or it could be another physical revision. It's kinda pointless to speculate IMO.

 

[EELinneman]

This is just Sunday morning speculation Chris, but I don't think the PTS system would have removed all record of the 22S41 recall campaign if they just were going to make a software tweak.

I suspect that this is another surprise for Ford. The software fix is likely causing a lot more failures than they anticipated and they likely pulled this while they try to figure out how to save even more money.

Ford also has another really bad recall going on about fires too now.
Ford recalls more than 100,000 Mavericks, Escapes, and Corsairs over fire risk - The Verge

Officially, now a cluster you know what at the Blue Oval.

 

[guyofthesky]

Last updated: 07/10/22

At this point, this is an investigative thread being used to document changes we see to the available software that was previously available for 22S41. No one really "knows" why this happened, yet...

Preface:

Today, I decided to see if I had any other updates available - other than the 22S41 Recall, which I don't want anyway. I have OTAs turned off and I haven't received any. The last update I performed to the car for the BECM and associated "recall modules" was in May with the software released before the recall. To my surprise I had no updates available, zero, zilch. I would have assumed that I had the recall at minimum, but nope. I confirmed this by checking my software versions against other GT/GTPE's that I know have the 22S41 recall applied. Confirmed that my version is 1 prior to the recall.

So, I took to the forums (here) and got a couple members to give me their VINs and with the help of VINs that @WyldStallyn had confirmed that 5 vehicles, all GTs and all from July of 2021 show the same old versions either installed or available with no recall versions available.

Could the recall have been pulled for everyone?

Through further investigation with multiple members running VINs, we are certain that is the case (read down a few posts on the main page). We can no longer find the recall versions of the software for ANY trims with ANY build dates. The only place we can find the recall software is on vehicles which previously had it applied before it was pulled.

Warning for all those who scheduled service calls the week of 07/10/22:

Those who are going to get the recall performed this week might be getting a placebo (the May version) and wasting their time. If the updates aren't available in FDRS dealers cannot perform them.

What about the OTA's going out?

Once I get access to that internal system I'll publish my findings on the status of the recall OTA. As of right now I have no idea if it's still being rolled out. I would assume not, but I don't have concrete answers yet.

Recall Cleared??

One of the VINs I ran had the 22S41 recall pulled by the dealer and they updated the modules to pre-recall versions. I assume that VIN has been cleared from the recall system even though he doesn't have the correct versions. That could be messy ...

But are you sure? I updated my modules today...

I've received a couple messages from people who say they have updated with the recall software. While I don't disbelieve them at all, the interesting part to all this is that the updates for the "recall modules" had an update just 1 month prior. So unless you are carefully looking at the exact software revision, you would assume that the recall is available because the modules that require updating are likely showing has having available updates. This, because the May release wasn't installed OTA and due to its proximity to the recall version. So could there be some cars with the recall updates available today? Sure, but there's none that I've seen yet and we have collectively run probably 20 VINs. All that being said - that is why I have this thread labeled as investigative still. If someone wants to provide me their VIN who is claiming they installed them I would be happy to look. So far, no one has stepped up and provided that proof.

Is it being rolled back?

Nothing suggests that if you had 22S41 installed it is being rolled back. This would require a new release of module software and there's none available at all.

What if I had 22S41 installed and they end up revising the recall software?

Then you will have to get the new version, which yeah, could mean another trip to the dealer. There's nothing to suggest this at this time.

NHTSA VIN Check:

In the NHTSA VIN check my vehicle and others show the 22S41 recall active.

Reference threads for people helping:

Version numbers for recall software:
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...obdmc-sobdmb-updates-available-in-fdrs.19011/

Also see attached recall report for versions

A note about accuracy:

Although I am opposed to the software recall, that has nothing to do with this thread. Accuracy and honesty are more important than my personal opinions. If things change or if I get new information to disprove my claims, I will update the thread accordingly.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Do you have any ideas/speculation why this is happening? I'll take a wild guess.

 

[BMT1071]

Over the past year Ford has had a pretty terrible track record with anything coming out of their servers on the weekend. Might wanna wait till normal business hours before fully assembling with torches and pitchforks.

 

[DevSecOps]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

Do you have any ideas/speculation why this is happening? I'll take a wild guess.

Yes. I believe that we are all going to get a voucher in the mail to upgrade, for free, to a 2023 MME.

 

[dlk9312]

@dlk9312, is your Route 1 RWD or AWD?

It's rwd....job 2 2021

 

[alexgorod]

Do you have any ideas/speculation why this is happening? I'll take a wild guess.

This

I suspect that this is another surprise for Ford. The software fix is likely causing a lot more failures than they anticipated and they likely pulled this while they try to figure out how to save even more money.

We shouldn't be really surprised with all other flawless software coming from Ford even if they didn't have the evil desire to cut the losses with hardware replacement. And they do.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

Might wanna wait till normal business hours before fully assembling with torches and pitchforks.

 

[DevSecOps]

Over the past year Ford has had a pretty terrible track record with anything coming out of their servers on the weekend. Might wanna wait till normal business hours before fully assembling with torches and pitchforks.

All of us who routinely check updates and I don't think any of us can say we have ever seen an update disappear unless it's pulled regardless of the day of the week. Weekends have down time, yes, but updates being pulled from PTS and FDRS is not "server maintenance".

 

[DevSecOps]

Is this your official comment??

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[KevinS]

Oh, we all know you're in the pocket of Big Pitchfork. ?

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

Oh, we all know you're in the pocket of Big Pitchfork. ?

 

[ProximusAl]

I suspect that this is another surprise for Ford. The software fix is likely causing a lot more failures than they anticipated and they likely pulled this while they try to figure out how to save even more money.

Ford also has another really bad recall going on about fires too now.
Ford recalls more than 100,000 Mavericks, Escapes, and Corsairs over fire risk - The Verge

Officially, now a cluster you know what at the Blue Oval.

Yes, so that makes both my cars now:
Mach-E : 2 outstanding recalls
Kuga (Escape): 1 outstanding recalls
Both cars under 1 year old. ?

 

[BMT1071]

All of us who routinely check updates and I don't think any of us can say we have ever seen an update disappear unless it's pulled regardless of the day of the week. Weekends have down time, yes, but updates being pulled from PTS and FDRS is not "server maintenance".

I can't point you to specific threads, but I recall other users having FDRS issues on the weekend. This is yet another thread where there is a grain of truth to start it, then page after page of wild speculation.

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