5 second limit explained?

[Mach1E]

So… with my Premium 4X, if I’m cruising at 75mph and I floor it, I get a nice little boost but it’s nothing earth shattering. Plenty sufficient to pass someone else. Are you saying you can’t do that in the GT? Weird if true.

When you use words like “plenty sufficient” to describe the acceleration of a “Mustang,” you just don’t get it and may never will.

It’s why Ford doesn’t only make a GT version of their Mustangs. People like and appreciate different things.

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[mkhuffman]

This video is much worse unfortunately.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...2023-mach-e-gt-driving-characteristics.26714/

About 30 min into the video he is literally laughing because he can keep the car completely floored while going around curves and it’s so slow it doesn't matter.

This is the video I was thinking of.

I did my own aggressive drive up a mountain, and while I didn't think about it at the time, the acceleration was pretty poor after the first few presses to the floor.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/i-tried-to-kill-my-hvbjb-and-failed-i-can’t-wait-to-try-again.25554/

You can really see it here. I was flooring it every time the red line spikes, and after the first two, it was severely limited.

 

[HuntingPudel]

So… with my Premium 4X, if I’m cruising at 75mph and I floor it, I get a nice little boost but it’s nothing earth shattering. Plenty sufficient to pass someone else. Are you saying you can’t do that in the GT? Weird if true.

At 75 the GT still has a little bit if you have not gotten on it in a while. The massive amount of jail bars happens at 80, where a crappy Skoda wagon will beat the GT. The only races a GT can win or come close to winning are off the line. Even then, there are a good number of cars that will beat it or crush it. ??

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Even with my lowly Select AWD, I have yet to find a normal driving situation where I've said to myself, "man, I wish this thing was faster."

Only shit-talk at stop lights with penis-anxious ICE drivers. That's the only time.

For some, A cups are fine, for others B will do, others need Cs. But dammit, If I Paid for Double Ds, I don't to find out later that they were stuffed, and really only getting B's.

 

[DevSecOps]

For some, A cups are fine, for others B will do, others need Cs. But dammit, If I Paid for Double Ds, I don't to find out later that they were stuffed, and really only getting B's.

You really don't have to disclose your transition to us publicly.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

You really don't have to disclose your transition to us publicly.

Touche.

 

[AKgrampy]

You really don't have to disclose your transition to us publicly.

You will know for sure if he purchases a minivan!

 

[Ghost Ryder]

You will know for sure if he purchases a minivan!

Had a Honda Odyssey at one time. It was honestly one of the best vehicles I had. Not fast, but bulletproof, and did what I was designed to do flawlessly.

 

[BigMach-E]

Had a Honda Odyssey at one time. It was honestly one of the best vehicles I had. Not fast, but bulletproof, and did what I was designed to do flawlessly.

Huh. The GTPE was designed to be fast, it’s honestly not that. It is quick, in certain conditions. It certainly isn’t bulletproof (ahem, HVJB), and it certainly doesn’t do what it was marketed to do, flawlessly. Is it the best vehicle I have owned, in some respects, yes, but that isn’t the highest bar in the world.

 

[RKinWA]

Huh. The GTPE was designed to be fast, it’s honestly not that. It is quick, in certain conditions. It certainly isn’t bulletproof (ahem, HVJB), and it certainly doesn’t do what it was marketed to do, flawlessly. Is it the best vehicle I have owned, in some respects, yes, but that isn’t the highest bar in the world.

Agreed, it's really subjective. I have owned 22 vehicles in my lifetime and only a few stand out as my favorites. Up until the GTPE, the Lincoln MKZ was my favorite. It was smooth, quiet, and comfortable. My second favorite was the Mazda CX-5. It was just a fun vehicle to drive and I really enjoyed it. Now with the GTPE, it's my new favorite. I love the looks, love the comfort, it's fun to drive, and as you said, it's quick. I got the PE for MagneRide and the seats. If the Premium had those as an option I would probably be just as happy with it.

 

[Mirak]

When you use words like “plenty sufficient” to describe the acceleration of a “Mustang,” you just don’t get it and may never will.

It’s why Ford doesn’t only make a GT version of their Mustangs. People like and appreciate different things.

Right. I think I get it now, even though I don't care about it, but I just wanted to make sure I understood what "it" is.

The thing that still confuses me a little bit is desire versus expectation. I get that you guys want more power to be unthrottled, but I'm not sure why you expect that. Ford sold 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, and basically delivered. I know, "track conditions" etc. etc., but they delivered on that promise about as well as anyone delivers on a 0-60 promise.

But at the end of the day, this is still an EV subject to certain engineering constraints. If you wanted V8 performance at 80mph, why didn't you guys buy a V8? If you're frustrated that other EVs do it better, why didn't you buy the other EV? And do you really think Ford is just being overly conservative on the software side? I mean, everything we've read about the HVBJB seems to indicate that there are some real hardware limitations.

Now obviously, the HVBJB failing within spec is unacceptable. But asking for Ford to delimit the car to push it even further than it was designed for... that doesn't seem reasonable. It sounds like you guys are just upset that Ford didn't engineer this car to be the powerhorse you wanted. But you paid for what Ford built.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Huh. The GTPE was designed to be fast, it’s honestly not that. It is quick, in certain conditions. It certainly isn’t bulletproof (ahem, HVJB), and it certainly doesn’t do what it was marketed to do, flawlessly. Is it the best vehicle I have owned, in some respects, yes, but that isn’t the highest bar in the world.

I was talking about my Honda Odyssey Minivan

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Right. I think I get it now, even though I don't care about it, but I just wanted to make sure I understood what "it" is.

The thing that still confuses me a little bit is desire versus expectation. I get that you guys want more power to be unthrottled, but I'm not sure why you expect that. Ford sold 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, and basically delivered. I know, "track conditions" etc. etc., but they delivered on that promise about as well as anyone delivers on a 0-60 promise.

But at the end of the day, this is still an EV subject to certain engineering constraints. If you wanted V8 performance at 80mph, why didn't you guys buy a V8? If you're frustrated that other EVs do it better, why didn't you buy the other EV? And do you really think Ford is just being overly conservative on the software side? I mean, everything we've read about the HVBJB seems to indicate that there are some real hardware limitations.

Now obviously, the HVBJB failing within spec is unacceptable. But asking for Ford to delimit the car to push it even further than it was designed for... that doesn't seem reasonable.

Ford not only advertised a fast 0-60 which they delivered. But also suggested that the GTPE could be taken to the track with it's Unbridled extend mode. Which it clearly can not. One of the first promos that Ford put out was a video interview with the GTPE lapping on a close track. This was blatantly false and misleading.

 

[Mach1E]

Right. I think I get it now, even though I don't care about it, but I just wanted to make sure I understood what "it" is.

The thing that still confuses me a little bit is desire versus expectation. I get that you guys want more power to be unthrottled, but I'm not sure why you expect that. Ford sold 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, and basically delivered. I know, "track conditions" etc. etc., but they delivered on that promise about as well as anyone delivers on a 0-60 promise.

But at the end of the day, this is still an EV subject to certain engineering constraints. If you wanted V8 performance at 80mph, why didn't you guys buy a V8? If you're frustrated that other EVs do it better, why didn't you buy the other EV? And do you really think Ford is just being overly conservative on the software side? I mean, everything we've read about the HVBJB seems to indicate that there are some real hardware limitations.

Now obviously, the HVBJB failing within spec is unacceptable. But asking for Ford to delimit the car to push it even further than it was designed for... that doesn't seem reasonable. It sounds like you guys are just upset that Ford didn't engineer this car to be the powerhorse you wanted. But you paid for what Ford built.

Expectations were based on a few things-

I ordered my GTPE day 1 in April 2021. The only things that were out were videos of it flying around the track and a 0-60 of 3.5 and the hp/tq specs.

The direct competition (model Y performance) has a similar 0-60 and runs high 11s in the 1/4 miles with no power limiters.

OTHER competitors (Hyundai, Porsche, Kia) that do have “boost modes,” both advertise the time (10 seconds) and the power drop (50-70 hp).

No rational person equipped with the above information would expect not only a power limit (that wasn’t advertised), but a power drop 2-4x the amount of the competition!

So yeah, I expected more!

FWIW, the car I replaced this with (Chevy SS) was a v8. I ordered this because it was advertised to be faster. And it is…….. to 60.

If you want to know more about us early people’s expectations- look up the 2021 threads speculating on 1/4 mile times.

Consensus was 11.8-12.0 at 113-116 mph.

 

[Mirak]

Makes sense. Sorry if I offended. Sounds like you guys were sold an experience, even if it was never in writing, of some sort of racecar experience. And I sympathize with feeling misled. At this point I seriously doubt Ford is ever gonna loosen up on the restraints - not with the existing HVBJB issues. There is clearly a limit to the hardware. You guys should trade in for something that's closer to what you want.

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