5 second limit explained?

[Thor2j]

At 75 the GT still has a little bit if you have not gotten on it in a while. The massive amount of jail bars happens at 80, where a crappy Skoda wagon will beat the GT. The only races a GT can win or come close to winning are off the line. Even then, there are a good number of cars that will beat it or crush it. ??

5 sec reduction is an absolute embarrassment, but your statement of "there are a good number of cars...." is way off. So maybe 1-2% of all vehicles made are quicker. That's not a good number.

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[Mach1E]

Makes sense. Sorry if I offended. Sounds like you guys were sold an experience, even if it was never in writing, of some sort of racecar experience. And I sympathize with feeling misled. At this point I seriously doubt Ford is ever gonna loosen up on the restraints - not with the existing HVBJB issues. There is clearly a limit to the hardware. You guys should trade in for something that's closer to what you want.

No offense taken.

As far as “trading in,” what I want doesn’t exist.

Good looking, fast, fun, and affordable.

I do have my eyes on the Macan EV, but have a feeling it’ll cost $100k+, and now with our 40k trade in values…….. that’s a lot of money to throw down.

This car is almost perfect right now. The only black eye is the 5 sec limit (as every review of the GT reminds us).

Not sure why you (and others) seriously doubt they’ll loosen it up.

They said “we will change that limit,” via OTA.

And while some Ford promises got delayed with the Mach E, all came to pass.

 

[AKgrampy]

Had a Honda Odyssey at one time. It was honestly one of the best vehicles I had. Not fast, but bulletproof, and did what I was designed to do flawlessly.

Had a Caravan myself during my soccer-mom days. Prefer my Expedition over the mini-van though.

 

[Mirak]

Not sure why you (and others) seriously doubt they’ll loosen it up.

They said “we will change that limit,” via OTA.

And while some Ford promises got delayed with the Mach E, all came to pass.

Because the HVBJB is barely adequate as it is. Now the NHTSB is investigating the adequacy of their “software recall.”

Ford says a lot of things. This one doesn’t seem realistic.

 

[Mach1E]

Because the HVBJB is barely adequate as it is. Now the NHTSB is investigating the adequacy of their “software recall.”

Ford says a lot of things. This one doesn’t seem realistic.

That’s the thing about the HVJB- it’s apparently not their primary concern.

It breaks on all models.

If it were a GT only issue and the one weak link, I could understand the argument. But it’s not.

They’re well aware of the issue and don’t seem to care, “we will change that limit.”

Maybe they know something we don’t. Maybe the failures have nothing to do with full throttle events and the ones that fail will fail no matter how you drive.

 

[Mirak]

That’s the thing about the HVJB- it’s apparently not their primary concern.

It breaks on all models.

If it were a GT only issue and the one weak link, I could understand the argument. But it’s not.

They’re well aware of the issue and don’t seem to care, “we will change that limit.”

Maybe they know something we don’t. Maybe the failures have nothing to do with full throttle events and the ones that fail will fail no matter how you drive.

It is a weak link for everyone, but the admittedly anecdotal evidence is that HVBJB failure is more prevalent on GT models.

Anecdotal evidence also indicates that the HVBJB fails because it overheats and fuses when it is pushed too hard. Which is likely why Ford introduced the software recall which hobbles the car if it detects a problem.

If the HVBJB is already borderline inadequate for aggressive driving (all signs point to YES), there is no way Ford is going to increase the risk of failure by delimiting acceleration.

I’ll gladly eat my words if I’m wrong, but I think it just highly, highly unlikely regardless of what Farley or anybody else said. These are the same people who you think misled you in the first place.

 

[Mach1E]

It is a weak link for everyone, but the admittedly anecdotal evidence is that HVBJB failure is more prevalent on GT models.

Anecdotal evidence also indicates that the HVBJB fails because it overheats and fuses when it is pushed too hard. Which is likely why Ford introduced the software recall which hobbles the car if it detects a problem.

If the HVBJB is already borderline inadequate for aggressive driving (all signs point to YES), there is no way Ford is going to increase the risk of failure by delimiting acceleration.

I’ll gladly eat my words if I’m wrong, but I think it just highly, highly unlikely regardless of what Farley or anybody else said. These are the same people who you think misled you in the first place.

That’s fair, they did mislead in the beginning.

But that was an error of omission.

Very different than making a specific promise in an interview. It wasn’t a casual off handed remark. They’ve been doing extensive testing to release this as well.

They’ve also said the limits will be extended on the 2024 Rally (which shares the same battery as our cars).

It’s definitely more than just speculation and wishful thinking.

Now as far as the timeline of WHEN……. Pure speculation and wishful thinking. ?

 

[circatee]

I would be interested in a few things...
1. How many Mustang GTPE's sold in 2022 and 2023
2. How many of them were returned, due to the 5 second limitation

Really wondering how many owners/past owners, are furious with what Ford has done here. Merely curious...

 

[azerik]

yes, but that isn’t the highest bar in the world.

It's 2023, You can set the bar where ever you want, but it's how high that bar chooses to identify that day will be the experience you get. Don't forget to apologize for your realistic expectations.

 

[Mach1E]

I would be interested in a few things...
1. How many Mustang GTPE's sold in 2022 and 2023
2. How many of them were returned, due to the 5 second limitation

Really wondering how many owners/past owners, are furious with what Ford has done here. Merely curious...

By then most people knew (even though Ford didn’t advertise it).

So probably not many returns. But I’m sure it hurt sales. Every single performance comparison test or review blasted Ford for it.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Huh. The GTPE was designed to be fast, it’s honestly not that.

Actually I think it was marketed as slightly faster 0-60, plus Magneride. I don’t think it was marketed as “highest performing EV in all conditions”.

The only thing I think Ford did that could be construed as maybe misleading is describing the drive mode above “unbridled” as for the track. Otherwise they were pretty clear in what this thing is.

I have had 10 Fords incl 3 gas Mustangs. I have taken one of them around laguna seca. MUSTANGS AREN’T TRACK CARS! They are not the highest performing things out there! They are good looking cost effective Everyman muscle cars that go fast in a straight line.

 

[azerik]

The only thing I think Ford did that could be construed as maybe misleading is describing the drive mode above “unbridled” as for the track. Otherwise they were pretty clear in what this thing is.

The way they put it is for road track so you can keep driving it spirited without it melting. "By lowing peak power". That sounds very much like "Instead of it totally falling over on it's side instantly, you can keep chasing Miatas for the other 19 minutes and 55 seconds of track time."

 

[mkhuffman]

The way they put it is for road track so you can keep driving it spirited without it melting. "By lowing peak power". That sounds very much like "Instead of it totally falling over on it's side instantly, you can keep chasing Miatas for the other 19 minutes and 55 seconds of track time."

One day I am going to take my car to the track so I can chase Miatas and get lapped by Kias.

 

[steve.panse]

It's software limited by Ford.

Electric motor torque (and therefore power output) is inherently limited by a phenomenon called ‘back EMF’ that is a function of rotational speed. Simplistically, the motor generates a voltage that counteracts the applied voltage from the battery/inverter and reduces the current flow. It may be software limited as well, but I’d guess the physical limit dominates.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I would be interested in a few things...
1. How many Mustang GTPE's sold in 2022 and 2023
2. How many of them were returned, due to the 5-second limitation

Really wondering how many owners/past owners, are furious with what Ford has done here. Merely curious...

In 2022, there was just a big shortage of cars especially EVs due to "supply chain/covid." People waited 6 months to get a car and many paid dealer markups. When I put in my order the power limit was not known yet. I could have canceled my order once I found out, but then I would have been back in line waiting for another EV like the BMW i4. Had I known, I would have reserved an i4 from the get-go.

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