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I just got my buyers order for my new MME. I ordered from a dealer who accepts X plan.
The top figure looks good, but are they allowed to charge a dealer fee of $799.95 and tag and title fees of $480 plus $40 on line below with no explanation. I thought the dealer is limited to $100 fee plus tax. Which of these should be removed? both? I don't want to sign anything confirming my agreement to pay those fees.
 

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I just got my buyers order for my new MME. I ordered from a dealer who accepts X plan.
The top figure looks good, but are they allowed to charge a dealer fee of $799.95 and tag and title fees of $480 plus $40 on line below with no explanation. I thought the dealer is limited to $100 fee plus tax. Which of these should be removed? both? I don't want to sign anything confirming my agreement to pay those fees.
Most likely the $799 dealer fee shouldn't be allowed, but tag and title isn't a dealer fee. That's the government getting your money to license and register the vehicle. Don't know what the $40 is.
 

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I just got my buyers order for my new MME. I ordered from a dealer who accepts X plan.
The top figure looks good, but are they allowed to charge a dealer fee of $799.95 and tag and title fees of $480 plus $40 on line below with no explanation. I thought the dealer is limited to $100 fee plus tax. Which of these should be removed? both? I don't want to sign anything confirming my agreement to pay those fees.
They are allowed to charge $100 for paperwork.

They are allowed to charge whatever it costs for title and registration, including if your state charges a fee for electronic titling.

Tax has nothing to do with a dealer.

My mother bought from a dealer that had no idea what X-Plan was. I reviewed the invoice, marked it up, and sent it back. They checked with their dealer rep and processed it as I had marked it up.
 

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They are allowed to charge $100 for paperwork.

They are allowed to charge whatever it costs for title and registration, including if your state charges a fee for electronic titling.

Tax has nothing to do with a dealer.

My mother bought from a dealer that had no idea what X-Plan was. I reviewed the invoice, marked it up, and sent it back. They checked with their dealer rep and processed it as I had marked it up.
I reviewed the invoice again with salesman. Looks like the $799 dealer fee is actually not charged, they lowered the price from X plan (53126 for premium, XR, RWD, and protection pakage) . So the first line is acually 52326 then they add $799 but the total is still $53126 plus tax and title. List price was 53940, so X at 53126 seems right...
 


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Make sure they are not playing games and in fact you are buying with X-Plan. That requires you to sign a form at delivery that says you are using X-Plan.

Some dealers say they match X-Plan pricing, but in fact they avoid using the plan to charge a fee greater than $100 for paperwork.

Also, there is no "seems right". Tell them to print a Smart Vincent report showing the true invoice and X-Plan price.
 

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Make sure they are not playing games and in fact you are buying with X-Plan. That requires you to sign a form at delivery that says you are using X-Plan.

Some dealers say they match X-Plan pricing, but in fact they avoid using the plan to charge a fee greater than $100 for paperwork.

Also, there is no "seems right". Tell them to print a Smart Vincent report showing the true invoice and X-Plan price.
I don't recall having to sign anything re X-plan. I simply gave them my PIN.
 

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Here is the form. If you didn't have to sign it, make sure you paid the correct X-Plan price, plus a max of $100 for paperwork, and no dealer fees.

https://www.fordpartner.com/partnerweb/pdf/AXZD-PlanPricingAgreement.pdf
I bought my car in February and I definitely don't remember that form. I did verify the price, and I had to remind them about the $100 max (they originally had their standard doc fee priced in). Maybe my wife signed it while I was in the bathroom. ?
 

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I apologize if this was already covered here or somewhere else on this tremendously informative forum... it seems that this thread says the X plan pricing is dealer invoice - 2%. However, I am seeing on sites like fordpartner.com that it is dealer invoice - 0.4%. I understand there is also a $275 admin fee. And is the dealer invoice the MSRP? If not, how do I find that number out? I am about to order one today or tomorrow. THANKS! (Again, sorry if this is repetitive.)
 

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I apologize if this was already covered here or somewhere else on this tremendously informative forum... it seems that this thread says the X plan pricing is dealer invoice - 2%. However, I am seeing on sites like fordpartner.com that it is dealer invoice - 0.4%. I understand there is also a $275 admin fee. And is the dealer invoice the MSRP? If not, how do I find that number out? I am about to order one today or tomorrow. THANKS! (Again, sorry if this is repetitive.)
Yes invoice is msrp. Basically you take almost all of the destination fee.
 

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Thanks. yeah I just did the math and X plan save just a bit under $500... not great, but I'll take it.
yeah but don't forget it caps doc fees at less the $100. Depending on the dealer that can be a substantial savings as well. But on a car this popular, ANY discount is a great thing.
 

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So I was just pointed at this thread. My GT is currently "In Production" is it possible to apply "X-Plan" pricing at this point (assuming I was to join a Mustang Club to get access), or does that need to be specified prior to placing the order?
 

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So I was just pointed at this thread. My GT is currently "In Production" is it possible to apply "X-Plan" pricing at this point (assuming I was to join a Mustang Club to get access), or does that need to be specified prior to placing the order?
My dealer told me that I just need to provide my PIN when the car is being picked up. Remember that you need to be a member of an organization like MCoA for at least 90 days in order to participate in X-plan. If your car is already in production and you have not yet joined, you may have a little bit of a chronological issue.
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