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I just finished mine up, do yourself a favor go slow, understand how all the rear panels come out and remove them completely. At that time, you’ll have plenty of space to work and the sound material goes down very easy in the rear trunk.

I too, will eventually be adding an aftermarket amp for the speakers, however, I cannot figure out how I wanna wire it so that it’s clean. I kind of just want to go post b&o amp like @markboris did, but still wrapping my head around the how. I ran 4ga to the rear initially just in case I decided to go all out (DSP ETC). With the bass where it is now, I don’t think I’ll be going much more.
Hey Michael, what questions do you have about adding an amp after the B&O amp?
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Hey Michael, what questions do you have about adding an amp after the B&O amp?
I saw the pictures but I think you had them all taped up at that point. I assume splice in speakers from the OUT of B&O (originally going to speakers) into external amp IN and then external amp OUT to the Speakers spliced back in.

for whatever reason I’m struggling to visualize. I think I also would grab the adaptor for the dash and just bring those to the back as well and amplify them all.
 
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I saw the pictures but I think you had them all taped up at that point. I assume splice in speakers from the OUT of B&O (originally going to speakers) into external amp IN and then external amp OUT to the Speakers spliced back in.

for whatever reason I’m struggling to visualize. I think I also would grab the adaptor for the dash and just bring those to the back as well and amplify them all.
You are correct. That is exactly how I wired it except my external amp uses RCA's for outputs so had to buy adapters: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NWNL63V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

I did not amplify the front factory amp (ACM) which supplies audio to the two dash tweeters and center speaker. There is no need to as you can bump up treble a bit on the EQ if you want. I was able to EQ the system just fine using my audio spectrum analyzer after adding the amp and tweaking the EQ.
 

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Hi everyone. I did this install in my MachE and loved it. I just sold my car and have the JL Audio PowerWedge if anyone is interested in buying it. Works perfectly and still has the tag on it. I never really turned it up very loud.
 


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I guess I did have one more question for those that have gone "all the way" and done a full DSP/Aftermarket amplifier installation, when using a product like PAC AmpPro AP4-FD31, do we need to get to the back of the dash anywhere, or is this all truly done at the amplifier in the rear right? the instructions were not clear to me.
Not sure if you ever got your answer. But I will say I tried the tapping into the speaker wires the first time around and I had nothing but issues. I ended up ripping everything I did out. And pulled out the factory B&O amp. From there I put the PAC Amp pro in and ran 6 rca’s out. 4 to my 4 channel and 2 to my sub amp. I only ran speaker wires to the front tweeters separately as I did not want to go behind the dash just for that wire harness. Everything else is in the back. I now have a 12” sub in the back of the mach e that can handle 3000 watts. I have all new speakers in the doors and front dash and running an audio control LC-4.800and an Audio control LC-1.800 plus an audio control epicentre. I am in love with my system now and there is zero distortion even when I am up in the 20’s on the dial volume. Go the PAC amp pro route. You won’t regret it and no cutting of wires
 

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Thank you MarkBoris for the great writeup and all the other contributors. The writeup(s) made the job much simpler than expected. I installed the JL Audio ACP110LG-TW1, ported 10 inch sub using the Crutchfield CK8 Amp Wiring Kit, the Remote bass control, Bojo Trim Panel Tools, and sound deadening. Running the 8 gauge wire and remote bass control under the drivers side floor boards was really easy as I just lightly bent up the plastic and tucked everything under! I was able to cut the wires to the OEM bass after the green connector. This allowed me to solider my speaker level input harness with extension wires directly to the green connector and plug it in! I grounded to the tie down bolt near the speaker ground, after verifying that it was a well grounded location. The ported bass is awesome and very boomy! I rarely crank it all the way up, but when I do, the rear hatch window shakes like it is going to shatter! yikes! And the fit is perfect!

Three minor thoughts - The sub occasionally misses the first big thump of the track. It is a bummer on certain songs. I don't know if it is the REM turn on with power, the crossover, or the way I wired the speak level inputs (which I think I did incorrectly!). Secondly, the the remote bass control seems to have much less control than expected. The movement between soft and big bass is very slight. The last minor critique is that I would rather be able to control the bass independently from the fader, which did adjust the OEM sub. My rear seat occupants would too!

On my '66 Falcon Futura, I installed an 8" sealed bass (Retrosound) using RCA inputs, a power on line and a remote bass control. With this setup, there seems to be a lot more bass control, no missed beats, and independent variability. The crisp clear bass of a sealed bass is certainly very nice for jazz and many songs, but I was missing that boomy bass, which is why I went with a ported sub on this installation.

It would be cool to hear the 12 inch JL sealed a some point, just to compare, but overall I am very happy with the ported sub!

I would be curious if anyone has had my minor issues and if you solved them.

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Thank you MarkBoris for the great writeup and all the other contributors. The writeup(s) made the job much simpler than expected. I installed the JL Audio ACP110LG-TW1, ported 10 inch sub using the Crutchfield CK8 Amp Wiring Kit, the Remote bass control, Bojo Trim Panel Tools, and sound deadening. Running the 8 gauge wire and remote bass control under the drivers side floor boards was really easy as I just lightly bent up the plastic and tucked everything under! I was able to cut the wires to the OEM bass after the green connector. This allowed me to solider my speaker level input harness with extension wires directly to the green connector and plug it in! I grounded to the tie down bolt near the speaker ground, after verifying that it was a well grounded location. The ported bass is awesome and very boomy! I rarely crank it all the way up, but when I do, the rear hatch window shakes like it is going to shatter! yikes! And the fit is perfect!

Three minor thoughts - The sub occasionally misses the first big thump of the track. It is a bummer on certain songs. I don't know if it is the REM turn on with power, the crossover, or the way I wired the speak level inputs (which I think I did incorrectly!). Secondly, the the remote bass control seems to have much less control than expected. The movement between soft and big bass is very slight. The last minor critique is that I would rather be able to control the bass independently from the fader, which did adjust the OEM sub. My rear seat occupants would too!

On my '66 Falcon Futura, I installed an 8" sealed bass (Retrosound) using RCA inputs, a power on line and a remote bass control. With this setup, there seems to be a lot more bass control, no missed beats, and independent variability. The crisp clear bass of a sealed bass is certainly very nice for jazz and many songs, but I was missing that boomy bass, which is why I went with a ported sub on this installation.

It would be cool to hear the 12 inch JL sealed a some point, just to compare, but overall I am very happy with the ported sub!

I would be curious if anyone has had my minor issues and if you solved them.

NickAvo Ported 10 JL.jpg
To maybe answer part of your question. If you tapped into the green wire of the sub you are limited by the factory B&O system and their EQ settings. I started my journey with my GTPE doing exactly what you did. From that I found it wasn’t a quality sound that I was looking for. Very muddy bass. I was using the JL 10” sub. After I went to a DSP by Audio control and again while I was able to have some adjustments something still wasn’t right. Plus occasionally I would lose signal. There are many YouTube videos on the issues with tapping into the ford B&O amps and how the sound is not good or makes speakers crackle. If you want to do it the best way you need to use the PAC audio Amp Pro AP4-FD31. Then pull out the factory B&O system and plug the harness into the Amp Pro. From there out to an amp then back into your speakers. There is no cutting of wires involved. All plug and play. What I can tell you is that now that I have done that over what you did (as I had done the same ). It’s a night and day difference and you now have a full range of sound with no distortion.
 

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To maybe answer part of your question. If you tapped into the green wire of the sub you are limited by the factory B&O system and their EQ settings. I started my journey with my GTPE doing exactly what you did. From that I found it wasn’t a quality sound that I was looking for. Very muddy bass. I was using the JL 10” sub. After I went to a DSP by Audio control and again while I was able to have some adjustments something still wasn’t right. Plus occasionally I would lose signal. There are many YouTube videos on the issues with tapping into the ford B&O amps and how the sound is not good or makes speakers crackle. If you want to do it the best way you need to use the PAC audio Amp Pro AP4-FD31. Then pull out the factory B&O system and plug the harness into the Amp Pro. From there out to an amp then back into your speakers. There is no cutting of wires involved. All plug and play. What I can tell you is that now that I have done that over what you did (as I had done the same ). It’s a night and day difference and you now have a full range of sound with no distortion.
I have added the 10 inch JL powered sub and it definitely is an improvement but still lacking. I was thinking of adding/splicing amp "piggyback" style after B&O amp and before speakers like @markboris did but am now thinking of using the PAC Amp Pro as it is "plug and play". How plug and play is it? I know you said no wires need cutting but does that mean no wires need to be connected to amp by butt connectors either? I have looked at the manual for the Amp Pro but I still can't really visualize how all of the connections work?

Mobridge also makes a device https://mobridge.us/product/da-g2-standard-a2b-ford/ that looks like it does the same thing. Anyone with thoughts or knowledge on how the 2 compare?

I am thinking of using the Kicker Key 200.4 amp. It has auto tuning dsp. I don't think I have the knowledge or desire to do all the dsp set up myself. Any thoughts on this amp?
 

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I have added the 10 inch JL powered sub and it definitely is an improvement but still lacking. I was thinking of adding/splicing amp "piggyback" style after B&O amp and before speakers like @markboris did but am now thinking of using the PAC Amp Pro as it is "plug and play". How plug and play is it? I know you said no wires need cutting but does that mean no wires need to be connected to amp by butt connectors either? I have looked at the manual for the Amp Pro but I still can't really visualize how all of the connections work?

Mobridge also makes a device https://mobridge.us/product/da-g2-standard-a2b-ford/ that looks like it does the same thing. Anyone with thoughts or knowledge on how the 2 compare?

I am thinking of using the Kicker Key 200.4 amp. It has auto tuning dsp. I don't think I have the knowledge or desire to do all the dsp set up myself. Any thoughts on this amp?
It's very plug and play you remove the factory B&O and then plug the plugs into the Amp Pro. Then it's RCA from that to the Amp or optical to amp. Then from amp speaker wires to the Amp Pro speaker wires. And then that's it. It comes with all the harnesses
 

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Thank you MarkBoris for the great writeup and all the other contributors. The writeup(s) made the job much simpler than expected. I installed the JL Audio ACP110LG-TW1, ported 10 inch sub using the Crutchfield CK8 Amp Wiring Kit, the Remote bass control, Bojo Trim Panel Tools, and sound deadening. Running the 8 gauge wire and remote bass control under the drivers side floor boards was really easy as I just lightly bent up the plastic and tucked everything under! I was able to cut the wires to the OEM bass after the green connector. This allowed me to solider my speaker level input harness with extension wires directly to the green connector and plug it in! I grounded to the tie down bolt near the speaker ground, after verifying that it was a well grounded location. The ported bass is awesome and very boomy! I rarely crank it all the way up, but when I do, the rear hatch window shakes like it is going to shatter! yikes! And the fit is perfect!

Three minor thoughts - The sub occasionally misses the first big thump of the track. It is a bummer on certain songs. I don't know if it is the REM turn on with power, the crossover, or the way I wired the speak level inputs (which I think I did incorrectly!). Secondly, the the remote bass control seems to have much less control than expected. The movement between soft and big bass is very slight. The last minor critique is that I would rather be able to control the bass independently from the fader, which did adjust the OEM sub. My rear seat occupants would too!

On my '66 Falcon Futura, I installed an 8" sealed bass (Retrosound) using RCA inputs, a power on line and a remote bass control. With this setup, there seems to be a lot more bass control, no missed beats, and independent variability. The crisp clear bass of a sealed bass is certainly very nice for jazz and many songs, but I was missing that boomy bass, which is why I went with a ported sub on this installation.

It would be cool to hear the 12 inch JL sealed a some point, just to compare, but overall I am very happy with the ported sub!

I would be curious if anyone has had my minor issues and if you solved them.

NickAvo Ported 10 JL.jpg
I also recently finished my install of the 10 inch sealed version.
I agree that the bass control knob seems to have very little effect.
I spliced into the sub output before the green connector (connector is gone) and not having any issues with missed output. Maybe that is why?
I also have it set to turn on by sensing speaker input, not remote power turn on. Maybe another cause for the missed output?
I am currently running power from the rear power outlet with no issues but will eventually run power from battery to rear.
Also, like someone else mentioned with fit issue, mine does not fit with cover in low position. 23 GTPE and I did add Soundshield dampening material which does add some thickness but I still don't think it would have fit without it.
 

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To maybe answer part of your question. If you tapped into the green wire of the sub you are limited by the factory B&O system and their EQ settings. I started my journey with my GTPE doing exactly what you did. From that I found it wasn’t a quality sound that I was looking for. Very muddy bass. I was using the JL 10” sub. After I went to a DSP by Audio control and again while I was able to have some adjustments something still wasn’t right. Plus occasionally I would lose signal. There are many YouTube videos on the issues with tapping into the ford B&O amps and how the sound is not good or makes speakers crackle. If you want to do it the best way you need to use the PAC audio Amp Pro AP4-FD31. Then pull out the factory B&O system and plug the harness into the Amp Pro. From there out to an amp then back into your speakers. There is no cutting of wires involved. All plug and play. What I can tell you is that now that I have done that over what you did (as I had done the same ). It’s a night and day difference and you now have a full range of sound with no distortion.
Great to know, Thanks! I may have to do the same. I wish there was an RCA output somewhere in the B&O system, I feel like that might solve some of the minor problems I have.
 

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One question.. If I would want to make my own harnesses, do they specify which connectors they use in the repair manual?
 

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