Decision between MME GT PE & Competitors; is 5 sec. perf. limit the deciding factor?

[Mach1E]

I am seriously in the market to finally replace our 11 year old Chevy Volt with a full EV, that also has good performance. I love cars and own quite a variety, including a 2015 BMW M4. Thus, I would love to have an EV capable of transporting my small family on trips that also gives some "fun" when needed. I am all set to put the money down on the top of the line Mustang Mach E GT Performance Edition, especially since the overall acceleration is similar to my M4. However, this 5 second performance limit has me hesitating, thus I am actively looking at competitors. The BMW I4 M50 is a serious contender for me since it is in the same ballpark cost wise with similar performance, but without this 5 second penalty.

I am new to the Mustang ME forum world (but not Ford as I do have a Bronco finally) so am hoping others on here may have some speculation on this... Since I believe this can be changed through software, what is the chance Ford will see this as a bad marketing move, etc. and later reverse or change this performance limit; or atleast find another way to protect the battery that isn't so limiting.

Not sure why people don’t realize the i4 M50 has a power time limit too!!

It’s 10 seconds.

And there is a decent drop off in power without it. (68 hp).

A lot of electric cars are like this. Even though our 5 sec limit is much shorter and the power drop is larger…….. no buttons or press or mode to go into and wait to get full power. Just stab and go. You can decide for yourself which you prefer.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/01/24/bmw-i4-m50-sport-boost-function/

“At its full capabilities, the BMW i4 M50 offers 544 hp (400 kW) and 795 Nm (586 lb-ft). There’s a dedicated icon in the instrument cluster that shows how much extra power is available and for how long. Without the Sport Boost mode activated, it needed up to 4.3 seconds to complete the run. It’s a significant performance difference, but the electric gran tourer remains plenty quick even in normal mode.”

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[Mach1E]

Since you're going to use it for trips look at the Kia EV6 GT, Genesis GV60 Performance, or Ioniq 5 N when it comes out. Faster charging and more features than a Mach-E GTPE.

And they also have power time limits. 10 seconds and you have to hit a button to activate.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I think the problem is that the limit on the GT starts right away after 72mph. If I got 5 secs of max power at any speed, I don't think it would be as big of an issue.

 

[scoopman]

I don't hate my GTPE. I actually like it quite a bit. I don't like the ticking time bomb of when it will brick on me though. I don't like that I have to baby it in hope that it won't die and leave me stranded.

The GTPE has a lot going for it.

As far as just selling it, and get another car. Well in any other time that would be great, but currently everything has a 6mos+ wait to order or pay 10K ADM fee. neither are good options.

But if I was looking to put in an order now, I would consider other options, not because the GTPE is not a good car, but because of all the other things associated with it especially the unreliable Ford dealership and Ford cooperate.

I agree with you on Ford dealerships, and Ford's customer support and roadside. All feel like they're stuck in the 1970s. Might be fine for someone buying a white F-150, but not for me.

I also have been there on concern over HVBJBs. Might be worth trying to get yours to fail close to home.

I don't think reliability is as much of an issue with the redesigned part. In general I've driven my car like it should be driven since the new box with no issues. This weekend, we were fully loaded with 4 occupants, luggage, and 4 bikes (and Blippi playing too) and I got 1.7 mi/KWh on an hour highway drive, but zero junction box issues. Wouldn't be able to do that in the i4 m50.

I separate the car from the dealers and brand, and subjectively, the GTPE is a pretty great car for my purposes. But Ford's dealers and its touchpoints with customers, are definitely negatives.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Excuse my finger in this photo, but just couldn't see spending that much money and seeing this ?

Yeah, the first time I saw that nose in an IMSA race I was all “WTF?” Fugly, and I’m an expert on fugly since I own a ‘72 Blazer that has slid into a tree. ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

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I don't think reliability is as much of an issue with the redesigned part. In general I've driven my car like it should be driven since the new box with no issues. This weekend, we were fully loaded with 4 occupants, luggage, and 4 bikes (and Blippi playing too) and I got 1.7 mi/KWh on an hour highway drive, but zero junction box issues. .
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WAIT! You had Blippi on? Proof that the extra-beefy taco, err… HVBJB works! ??

 

[Regulus7]

The MME GT with the options cash and 7500 tax credit was a no brainer with price protection for those of us that ordered last year. 2023 model year is identical to 22s but you may no longer qualify for the $7500 and I am not sure if you will have options cash or x plan. So it’s going to be $10-12k more effectively. So we are talking about $80-85k depending on taxes. At that price level you have the model y performance which now will get $7500 assuming your income is not that high. So it becomes a much tougher choice. Personally MY and M3 Teslas are a dime a dozen around here and I don’t like the “Prius” look to them. Now if I could get a Model S for around
$90k after rebate. Well that would be competitive.

So basically this year if you can find a 22 at MSRP it’s still an amazing deal for a great car. If not and you don’t like Tesla look then it’s still a good option but not as great as this year with the price and tax credit.

 

[Panzer948]

Excuse my finger in this photo, but just couldn't see spending that much money and seeing this ?

OP here. Thanks for all the great feedback. Very useful info, although the one poster about it possibly turning into a brick is concerning... I will put that at the far end of the bell curve since most posts were positive to objective. Like you I hated the front grill of the new 4 series (and M4). Made me very happy to keep my F82 M4 (previous model). I wouldn't buy the new M4 with that front end, but on the I4 it doesn't bother me as much. Maybe because its not on a true performance car, has 4 doors etc At same time, like many predicted, it has grown on me and will continue to overtime.

I do like the I4s interior slightly more and I think it has slightly better tech too (jury still out as I have yet to play with either in person). Good to know thst BMW has similar system but with 10 sec limit instead. Maybe Ford will match that one day with enough complaints (like this post).

I will say that Mustang Mach E moved up a few notches for a final decison!

 

[phil]

Man I can't read the rants with FORD without it being yelled in my head, it's not an acronym, I don't get it.

Now do FOB.

 

[Studly]

Honestly, I can't recommend a FORD product currently given how FORD and dealers have been treating their early adopters. I just can't trust FORD to do the right thing at this time. Even though you're getting a GTPE with the fix, who knows if it will hold up. And if it doesn't or if a new problem arises, will FORD step up to the plate and fix it right or just slap a band aid on it.

I do like my GTPE, but I'm limited on what I can do because I don't know when it's going to brick on me. Hence defeating the purpose of getting the GTPE. My normal commute consist on long stretch of freeway driving where speeds are normally 80+. Next time when I floor to pass, will my car brick? Only time will tell.

Especially with the price increase in 23, I would seriously look at another brand.

You're going to love my new thread "Top 5 things I hate about my Mach e GT"

I have a different experience with Ford dealers treating early adopters. I'm an early adopter, and I like my dealers very much. I've been treated well, and I don't know any of them. Worked with four dealers for service, and bought from three of them. Since 2020 I've bought 5 new Fords: Fusion, Shelby GT350, new models: Bronco Sport, Bronco Outer Banks, Mach e GT. Drove them all over 15,000 miles except the Mach e that I've driven 750 miles in three days. Sold one of them. I cannot find a 5 second limit in my driving at any speed. No issue for me at all. Love all the new Fords that I've bought, and I'll likely get another.

Flame ? on.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Very useful info, although the one poster about it possibly turning into a brick is concerning...

That essentially only applies to Mach-Es with HVBJBs installed prior to May 2022. Any MME you would get today would not have the faulty part.

 

[ponEpwr]

I've been very impressed with the suspension of the GTPE. I've had limited time in a model y performance and thought it's suspension was ok at best and mostly a disappointment. For just normal bombing around town the 5 secrnd limit is a non factor for me.
If I didn't buy the GTPE it would probably the the i4 M50 but I haven't driven one. Typically BMW suspensions are set up very nicely. And the fact that the reviews all seem to say it's underwhelming I'm really starting to believe the weight of these EVs need an adjustable/active suspension over a typical spring and strut setup.

For me, the suspension of a vehicle carries way more value than straight line speed when we're talking a bunch of sub 4 second 0-60 vehicles. Going forward I don't think I'm interested in entertaining any EV that are not on a magneride or similar setup.

 

[Panzer948]

I've been very impressed with the suspension of the GTPE. I've had limited time in a model y performance and thought it's suspension was ok at best and mostly a disappointment. For just normal bombing around town the 5 secrnd limit is a non factor for me.
If I didn't buy the GTPE it would probably the the i4 M50 but I haven't driven one. Typically BMWs suspensions are set up very nicely. And the fact that the reviews all seem to say it's underwhelming I'm really starting to believe the weight of these EVs need an adjustable/active suspension over a typical spring and strut setup.

For me, the suspension of a vehicle carries way more value than straight line speed when we're talking a bunch of sub 4 second 0-60 vehicles. Going forward I don't think I'm interested in entertaining any EV that's not on a magneride or similar setup.

Very good point! I actually test drove a Tesla Plaid about 5 years ago. It was at a rare Tesla facility where they had all the cars (I was there for a conference). He let me drive it after I proved I had a M4 (they had a lot of walk ins at this location). Anyway, it was fun throwing your head back in the seat but the handling reminding me of my Mom's Buick.... I knew then that the Teslas were not for me (atleast the current lineup).

Heck, I even test drove the original Tesla Roadster back in 2011. They let me drive it after I showed up in a Brand new Chevy Volt (I have a habit of being an early adapter for new tech). At that time, Volt was also rare so they wanted to see it too. Now Roadster was a fun car but its Lotus platform made for a very cramped and uncomfortable ride. I had a walking cast on at the time and nearly got my foot stuck in the pedals causing an accident.

I had a first year model 335 (2007) and then a first year model F82 M4. Suspension is sooo important. I know Ford is no newbie to suspensions like Tesla is...

 

[dbsb3233]

Good luck in getting any of the Koreans under $70k these days -- much less the upcoming EV6 GT.

Especially after the government just yanked the $7500 tax credit out from underneath them and gave it to Tesla instead.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

You're going to love my new thread "Top 5 things I hate about my Mach e GT"

I have a different experience with Ford dealers treating early adopters. I'm an early adopter, and I like my dealers very much. I've been treated well, and I don't know any of them. Worked with four dealers for service, and bought from three of them. Since 2020 I've bought 5 new Fords: Fusion, Shelby GT350, new models: Bronco Sport, Bronco Outer Banks, Mach e GT. Drove them all over 15,000 miles except the Mach e that I've driven 750 miles in three days. Sold one of them. I cannot find a 5 second limit in my driving at any speed. No issue for me at all. Love all the new Fords that I've bought, and I'll likely get another.

Flame ? on.

Don't need to flame. Glad you had a great experience. I've been on record that I like my GTPE. But There are things about it as well as Ford and Dealerships that need improving. I can see both sides of the coin. There are compromises that some people will live with while others won't. Same can be said of the dealership. They're independently own. Some are great, many are not. Especially now since they can charge so much ADM that they let customer service fall to the wayside. Not all dealership, but plenty do that it cast a shadow on the Ford brand. Also Ford corporate has been dragging their feet regarding a real fix for a known problem with their cars bricking. This put a lot of people in a bind, especially people that don't have an extra car to use if their happens to die.

Either way, I'm glad you're happy with Ford, and its great that you're putting your money with your mouth is. I'm not so happy with Ford. There were many unforce errors with the MachE. I can accept that its a new vehicle and unexpected things can happen. But when it does, I expect Ford to fix it correctly. So until they do, I will voice my opinion. I don't think the MME is a bad vehicle, in fact I think its pretty nice and on par with others in its class. Ford corporate just need to step up to the plate and do the right thing.

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