GT/GTPE real world range

[breeves002]

So on my trip home I managed to do about 2.5mi/kWh @77mph which is the same I noticed on my FE. No difference.

I average 3.0mi/kWh normally but I beat on it. I'm assuming I could do even better. One day I drove 140 miles mixed city and fast highway and did 2.8mi/kWh and was pretty impressed with that considering I hit 100+ a few times.

My GOM is totally screwed though. I've driven the car ~600 miles since getting back from my trip home and the GOM still assumes I'm doing 2.5mi/kWh by its calculations. It makes no sense because I can manually do the math of energy used and it matches the Trip 1/2...however the 'current trip' always reads super low. I can reset trip 1 and then 'current trip' and trip 1 will be totally different numbers at the end of my drive? Trip 1 being correct, 'current trip' reading about 0.5mi/kWh lower. Anyone else see this happening? Didn't happen with my FE.

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[AlbanyIan]

GT owners, any updates on range now that you have had them forma while? What are you seeing and what does the GOM say?

Currently, I'm categorizing trips into "Local," "State Highway," and "Interstate" and after about 10 days (~1000 mi) I have calculated the following mi/kWh (mpkwh) for these categories:

Interstate: 3.1*
Highway: 3.5
Local: 3.7

The categories are loosely defined but "Interstate" should be about 90% of the trip miles for that category . "Local" trips are driven quite conservative, "Interstate" speed is between 70 and 75 mph, and "State Highway" is a mix of spirited and conservative depending on conditions. I plan to update these figures periodically.

* One of the trips registered at 5.2 which is unlikely. A more realistic figure is probably more like 2.6 for this category at this point in the car's driving history.

 

[Frankie]

3.5-4.4 mi/kWh

So that would be a minimum max range of 308, a max of 387, and an average of 348.

 

[AButtonMasher]

Todays trips, there was still some lite jackassery but I tried.

A mix of interstate 85% interstate and 10% 40-55 mph slower streets, 5% neighborhood.

 

[Plutoman15]

Any updates GT owners?

 

[DevSecOps]

I have an entire review on a 250-300 mile-ish trip and I'm not getting good numbers. I'll be taking a 1000 mile roadtrip this week and I'll report back then.

I feel that at Freeway speeds with a GTPE we're going to see about 200/220 miles. The slightest wind or temp difference can take you from 2.7 to 2.1.

Here's the thing... "Real world range" is subjective to the person.

I will explain what I think Range should be, and many will disagree:

• I could care less how many miles I get under 55mph or around town. Simply put If I got 300 miles+ range from the GTPE in town it will serve me no purpose in life. I would never drive 300 miles within the city, on city streets, without recharging.
• I care about how far the car will take me when I want to travel somewhere. To me that is the range I want. Whenever I travel it's 65+ mph and most always freeway driving.
• Also remember that 220 miles (for example) is more like 160-190 because you'll have to find a charger. If anyone is familiar with I-5 in California between NorCal and SoCal, there's chargers only every so often. Then your DCFC is only getting you to 80% so your range goes from 220 to 180, and realistically, as described above to 150.
• Lastly, we are talking about a GT/GTPE here... If you wanted to get tons of range from something that does 0-60 in 25 seconds, go get a Prius. I think it's comical to see people driving their GT/GTPE's in the city like some 105 yo with a walker. There's many people who have told me I need to drive under the speed limit to get better range... NOPE, not going to happen. This is not the car to hypermile in...

I'm slightly disappointed with the range because I think that they can do better. I'm hoping for an OTA that improves long distance range.

In summary, I don't disagree that in town, or a mix between 55mph highway and city you can get in the 3's, when you don't have wind and it's 75 outside. That's just not practical for my lifestyle. There are a few other posts on this forum from non-GT owners who travel the same I-5 freeway I do who are reporting 1.8 mi/kWh. So think about what "range" is to you before you buy into all these "range" numbers, including mine!

Thursday I'm going from Sacramento to Palm Desert and then returning home a few days later. If you aren't familiar with the route, look it up. It's a mix of 70 and 65 mph the entire way, which means I'll be doing 80 the whole way. There won't be any stop and go, no 0-60s, just BlueCruise the entire way. I'll show you what I consider to be range in a post this weekend on my North to South leg. There will be 2 of us in the car with a combined weight of about 315 lbs. At one point in the trip we will be crossing over the "grapevine" which will be a 5000ft elevation change (not gonna lie, I'm worried). Telsa forums report using 4x the power to get over it so I assume I'll get 0.5mi/kWh.

 

[wsmith1967]

Hi -

I just took possession of a new GT yesterday. I am new to eVs and Ford.

Range - wise, a little surprised to see 100% charge and 212 mi of range when I drove it off the lot.

Like, what happened to 250 mi.?
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Currently now sitting at 77% charge level and 160 mi remaining so same-ish implied max range.

Somebody please tell me not to worry about this and I will see 250 mi.....

 

[Plutoman15]

Hi -

I just took possession of a new GT yesterday. I am new to eVs and Ford.

Range - wise, a little surprised to see 100% charge and 212 mi of range when I drove it off the lot.

Like, what happened to 250 mi.?
.
Currently now sitting at 77% charge level and 160 mi remaining so same-ish implied max range.

Somebody please tell me not to worry about this and I will see 250 mi.....

The guess o meter is not correct for a few weeks. Make sure to reset it and then wait a few hundred miles or more before believing it.

 

[DevSecOps]

Somebody please tell me not to worry about this and I will see 250 mi

As I mentioned in the post above yours, it depends. Are you driving under 55 in perfect weather or do you plan on driving on the freeway or in cold climates?

Let me show you the difference in 10 degrees Fahrenheit from today. Home to work, work to home, all 45/55mph. You'll see my driving efficiency is worse going home. But 47 degrees vs 57 degrees is a big hit.

Lastly, you can't always trust the data they provide. Here's a good example of how it can be wonky...

Or even here where it claims I'll get 2493 miles to a charge.

 

[wsmith1967]

Wow, big differences. I will do mostly short (<12miles) commuting and other similar drives on local highways. Wasn't aware the range was that volatile.

Thanks for the info.

 

[DevSecOps]

I will do mostly short (<12miles) commuting and other similar drives

Then I would agree that your range will probably get better based on that driving profile.

In general I just don't trust Ford's numbers at all right now. Here's a complete post on how they are just lacking basic quality control:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/fordpass-charging-i-get-2493-miles-per-charge-do-you.10397/

 

[harrysiii]

Just look at your miles/kWh. It needs to be about 2.9 miles/kWh to achieve EPA targets. I get under that on the highway and over it in town....I just drive too much highway to average the 260 for 100%.

 

[chrisGT]

After a lot of highway driving my GT's average is about 2.6 mi/kWh (maybe 2.7 if I am the slowest driver on the street) which means about 229 miles of range for highway driving assuming 88kWh usable battery. Exterior temperature was an average of 67 F so expect even less range in the winter.
SoC dropped 26% for 60 miles of driving which also confirms 230 miles range if you start with 100%.

Efficiency improves a lot with city driving where I can get anywhere from 3 to 4.5 mi/kWh depending on regen conditions..

To be honest I expected more highway range from the GT given its EPA estimate. Range is usually needed for long trips i.e highway not city driving.

 

[DevSecOps]

To be honest I expected more highway range from the GT given its EPA estimate. Range is usually needed for long trips i.e highway not city driving.

Exactly as I stated it. Range is for distance. I would expect the EPA 260 to be distance driving, not 25mph city streets. This is what I've said all along and the reason for my disappointment.

 

[ARK]

I have an entire review on a 250-300 mile-ish trip and I'm not getting good numbers. I'll be taking a 1000 mile roadtrip this week and I'll report back then.

I feel that at Freeway speeds with a GTPE we're going to see about 200/220 miles. The slightest wind or temp difference can take you from 2.7 to 2.1.

Here's the thing... "Real world range" is subjective to the person.

I will explain what I think Range should be, and many will disagree:

• I could care less how many miles I get under 55mph or around town. Simply put If I got 300 miles+ range from the GTPE in town it will serve me no purpose in life. I would never drive 300 miles within the city, on city streets, without recharging.
• I care about how far the car will take me when I want to travel somewhere. To me that is the range I want. Whenever I travel it's 65+ mph and most always freeway driving.
• Also remember that 220 miles (for example) is more like 160-190 because you'll have to find a charger. If anyone is familiar with I-5 in California between NorCal and SoCal, there's chargers only every so often. Then your DCFC is only getting you to 80% so your range goes from 220 to 180, and realistically, as described above to 150.
• Lastly, we are talking about a GT/GTPE here... If you wanted to get tons of range from something that does 0-60 in 25 seconds, go get a Prius. I think it's comical to see people driving their GT/GTPE's in the city like some 105 yo with a walker. There's many people who have told me I need to drive under the speed limit to get better range... NOPE, not going to happen. This is not the car to hypermile in...

I'm slightly disappointed with the range because I think that they can do better. I'm hoping for an OTA that improves long distance range.

In summary, I don't disagree that in town, or a mix between 55mph highway and city you can get in the 3's, when you don't have wind and it's 75 outside. That's just not practical for my lifestyle. There are a few other posts on this forum from non-GT owners who travel the same I-5 freeway I do who are reporting 1.8 mi/kWh. So think about what "range" is to you before you buy into all these "range" numbers, including mine!

Thursday I'm going from Sacramento to Palm Desert and then returning home a few days later. If you aren't familiar with the route, look it up. It's a mix of 70 and 65 mph the entire way, which means I'll be doing 80 the whole way. There won't be any stop and go, no 0-60s, just BlueCruise the entire way. I'll show you what I consider to be range in a post this weekend on my North to South leg. There will be 2 of us in the car with a combined weight of about 315 lbs. At one point in the trip we will be crossing over the "grapevine" which will be a 5000ft elevation change (not gonna lie, I'm worried). Telsa forums report using 4x the power to get over it so I assume I'll get 0.5mi/kWh.

For your trip to Palm Desert, I’m sure you could do it entirely on Electrify America, but CalTrans has a few free (though poorly reviewed) CCS chargers sprinkled throughout the Central Valley and also right at the top of the Grapevine.

You will also pass through Pasadena. The city installed a massive 44 CCS chargers in Old Town at the top of the Marengo Garage (exact same parking lot where a Tesla SuperCharger is located - they are all placed on the roof). For now, these chargers are free, though the parking garage isn’t. Still, you can get 90 minutes free parking if you validate at the Paseo mall, e.g. at a Starbucks there. These chargers are only 50 kWh though, so maybe make it a food stop if you do swing by with the intention to charge.

More info on PlugShare, maybe you’ve already seen these chargers.

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