High Voltage Battery Junction Box (HVBJB) Replacement Recall for recall HVBJB in 30,013 Mach-E

[mkhuffman]

Thanks,
didn't realize my MME was Mexican. loL

At least it isn't Mexican American:

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[Neil4Real]

I haven't done any recall stuff including the windows/roof. I haven't had any problems.

Yeah, with those recalls you’ll only know if you effed up not doing them when you get messed up in a car crash. Definitely a good call.

 

[markboris]

Are you talking about this??
"Ford provided the general reimbursement plan for the cost of remedies paid for by vehicle owners prior to notification of a safety recall in May 2023. The ending date for reimbursement eligibility is estimated to be March 31, 2024."

That only refers to any customer that had to pay for replacement prior to the recall being issued.

So Ford will reimburse me for the HVBJB I had installed on my own dime? I will have to look into that, thanks.

 

[HGxxx]

I think ford designed the insides of this car for the small battery pack and RWD and then decided to go mustang route and then added the big pack and gt motors.

 

[RickMachE]

I haven't done any recall stuff including the windows/roof. I haven't had any problems.

Yeah, with those recalls you’ll only know if you effed up not doing them when you get messed up in a car crash. Definitely a good call.

It's real concerning when people think that because they can't see a defective installation that all is well.

The windshield, and the roof glass, are integral parts of crash protection. Either can pop out during an accident due to inadequate adhesion. That's dangerous to you. The roof can detach and fly backwards and take out someone else on the road.

Safety recalls are there for a reason. This isn't a cosmetic thing.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

OK, I had time to review the NHTSA documents for 23V-687 / 23S56 and give my opinions.

Thank you for a reasoned analysis of the recall. Your opinions appear justified and accurate based on the evidence presented, and explain multiple behaviors that have been well-documented on this site and others.

 

[buzznwood]

I think ford designed the insides of this car for the small battery pack and RWD and then decided to go mustang route and then added the big pack and gt motors.

While the original was FWD it was always targeting 300 miles of range, so the larger battery pack would have been needed to get that range, like wise the larger motor probably would have been used, just with the max power potentially dialed back a bit.

The mustangification just allowed for a sportier looking dress along with the option for a higher performance orientated trim, however based on the performance of the GTs they failed miserably on that front.

This is just a classic case of Fords it will do attitude , when it comes to certain parts selection where either bean counters dictate the part or the engineers don't do the intensive testing. With the final shake down development of the mach-e happening during covid I suspect very minimal real world testing was actually done.

If the only people getting the issues was a subset of GT owners with fists of ham and feet of lead then you could possibly see it not getting caught in testing but this has happened to all trims with just regular use and at minimal mileage. It should have been caught and found in testing long before the vehicle ended up in owners hands.

 

[BMT1071]

So Ford will reimburse me for the HVBJB I had installed on my own dime? I will have to look into that, thanks.

I wouldn't count on it since you had yours replaced proactively while your car is still under warranty. Doesn't hurt to ask though.

 

[BMT1071]

While the original was FWD it was always targeting 300 miles of range, so the larger battery pack would have been needed to get that range, like wise the larger motor probably would have been used, just with the max power potentially dialed back a bit.

The mustangification just allowed for a sportier looking dress along with the option for a higher performance orientated trim, however based on the performance of the GTs they failed miserably on that front.

This is just a classic case of Fords it will do attitude , when it comes to certain parts selection where either bean counters dictate the part or the engineers don't do the intensive testing. With the final shake down development of the mach-e happening during covid I suspect very minimal real world testing was actually done.

If the only people getting the issues was a subset of GT owners with fists of ham and feet of lead then you could possibly see it not getting caught in testing but this has happened to all trims with just regular use and at minimal mileage. It should have been caught and found in testing long before the vehicle ended up in owners hands.

Your position assumes the root cause is an engineering/design issue as opposed to a manufacturing defect in the contactors.

 

[Sobmartin]

Once this recall is released, I wonder what that is going to do to the wait times at most dealers for EV work. I also wonder how many dealers will say, "We don't have the staff/tools" for the recall and advise going to another dealer.

It took them 10 days to do,the 22S41. Not looking forward to this one.

 

[Maquis]

I wouldn't count on it since you had yours replaced proactively while your car is still under warranty. Doesn't hurt to ask though.

The wording in the NHTSA document leans toward “yes”.

It doesn’t state that a failure had to occur.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

It's almost as good as that first cup of coffee

Blasphemy! Nothing is almost as good as the first cup of coffee! It’s Newton’s or Einstein’s First Rule of the universe or something.

Do we know that all of the 107 failures with loss of motive power after completion of 22S41 were from the original HVBJB?

We? No. But the NTHSA isn’t interested in an absolute zero failure rate as that’s unrealistic. They’re after a very low failure rate, most likely quite significantly lower than the current rate.

why did Ford tell the dealers to wait until Ford provided parts ordering information before any new cars subject to the recall could be delivered to customers?

Currently, the failures only create a demand for fairly limited number of parts. This version of the recall creates an instant demand for an extra 30,000 parts. Plus the parts for continued production etc. it takes time.

Thanks! I knew that could not be right and that I must be misinterpreting things. That was referring to something else.

Yeah, there are dealers who are incapable of scheduling a tire rotation before May 2024, let alone a bunch of HVBJB replacements.

 

[NavyTiger]

For an anecdote, I have one of the affected 2022 GT models and haven’t had any issues for the year and a half I’ve owned it. But good to see either way.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Blasphemy! Nothing is almost as good as the first cup of coffee! It’s Newton’s or Einstein’s First Rule of the universe or something.
<SNIP>

The morning bowl of kibble is better than any cup of coffee! Chow time rox!

 

[fxo]

Wow and I thought I would be safe. My FE is in the list but after getting two speed camera tickets within 15 minutes from the same camera (epic fail on my part), I have to be good for the next 12 months.

For those unaware, speed cameras in AZ come with 3 points per offense and are moving violations by law. They yank your license at 8!! I got one removed in a five hour online class, but I live in an area with mobile cameras and insanely low speed limits. No joy for me right now…

Interesting this is exactly what they have done in Germany for years.

It is a form of taxation, but for sure when little children are killed it is a mess.

People have the wrong sense of what German driving is. Ultimately it is highly disciplined, and don't f--- around.

In high (human) traffic zones, the speed limit is about 30k, or 20 mph ... And if you are caught drinking and driving, it is a loss of license for life.

They even hide the cameras in the back of automobiles. There is no escaping them. I got one ticket this last trip. Just for accelerating out of roundabout. Like I said, it is amazing difficult to avoid. Be aware, the autobahn is a tiny fraction of what the Germany experience is like.

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