Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

[silverelan]

I am listening to this and it is very interesting. Where is this podcast from?

It's from Fully Charged's podcast channel. I went to their site but couldn't find it directly. Not sure why. Zac and Jesse are the worst though.

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[silverelan]

The heat pump is a *huge* deal. I really do wish the Mach-E had it.

The heat pump was an easy layup that Ford missed. They'll rectify this for the mid-cycle refresh, I'm sure. Maybe sooner according to @trutolife27.

 

[dbsb3233]

Why do you seem determined to talk a First Edition orderer into thinking he doesn't want the car he ordered?

Why can't we like the Mach-E *AND* want it to be better than it is?

Why do we have to accept what is done as somehow ordained to be perfection and incapable of questioning or improvement?

You're the one that seems to CONTINUALLY be trying to talk yourself out of it. Time and time again. Like the complaint above about the MME being priced for what it actually is (an SUV/crossover) rather than a small/short hatch like the Model 3. That's a pretty damn major disqualifier right there -- wanting a totally different class of vehicle!

We all have *little* things we'd tweak on any car if we had the choice, of course. But your complaints often aren't little things. They're often "you're buying the entirely wrong car" things.

 

[Jolteon]

You're the one that seem CONTINUALLY trying to talk yourself out of it. Time and time again. Like the complaint above about the MME being priced for what it actually is (an SUV/crossover) rather than a small/short hatch like the Model 3. That's a pretty damn major disqualifier right there -- wanting a totally different class of vehicle!

We all have *little* things we'd tweak on any car if we had the choice, of course. But your complaints often aren't little things. They're often "you're buying the entirely wrong car" things.

I'm not trying to talk myself out of anything. I'm checking my order daily hoping I see a build date pop up.

Just because I wish they'd improve it further in *no* way means I don't want what I ordered.

 

[Nak]

The heat pump was an easy layup that Ford missed. They'll rectify this for the mid-cycle refresh, I'm sure. Maybe sooner according to @trutolife27.

I'd be willing to bet my 401k that Ford bought the $50K Sandy Munro analysis of the Model Y heat Pump/octovalve and that Mach-e engineers have been studying it intently.

 

[Jolteon]

I'd be willing to bet my 401k that Ford bought the $50K Sandy Munro analysis of the Model Y heat Pump/octovalve and that Mach-e engineers have been studying it intently.

If they haven't already bought a Model Y and torn it apart to see the heat pump themselves

 

[trutolife27]

The heat pump is kinda a double-edged sword. 25 miles of range is more important or many other things. The problem with the heat pump is half of the country will never use it or need it. The other half if it gets too cold it doesn't do any good anyway.

More range to equal out the loss of heating the car is a better way to help with the cold. Start adding more and more parts like Ice vehicles more things can break and repair.

A good way for ford or any manufacturer to do it is an add on if you want. The only reason I'm saying this is well.................... it's being talked about right now this way at Ford.

 

[Jolteon]

Oh of course, heat pumps have been known to the industry forever. The Model Y's is just a very innovative one that probably costs the same as the Mach-E's setup but with the actual heat pump benefits.

 

[dbsb3233]

I'm not trying to talk myself out of anything. I'm checking my order daily hoping I see a build date pop up.

Just because I wish they'd improve it further in *no* way means I don't want what I ordered.

Complaining about it being an SUV, and complaining about paying an SUV price (MME) rather than a small hatch (M3) price is entirely different than "improve it", IMO.

But whatever, hopefully we can all just ignore those comments now and discuss the actual features rather than complaining about it not being an entirely different class of vehicle (which would logically warrant a buyer looking at an entirely different vehicle instead).

 

[dbsb3233]

Totally agree about that. Unfortunately all we have to work with so far is Ford's 300/270. So we're stuck with those until actual high speed reviews are done.

 

[efisher]

The heat pump was an easy layup that Ford missed. They'll rectify this for the mid-cycle refresh, I'm sure. Maybe sooner according to @trutolife27.

The heat pump may be a deal, but it is in no way a huge deal. The Model Y is their only vehicle to have one and nobody is now saying that it has made the other Tesla models obsolete. I don't know of anybody who said, "I will not buy a Model 3 because it does not have a heat pump." The reason for that is a heat pump is useful under some situations and nothing more than added weight, cost, and complexity in other cases. They will impose a smaller range penalty when driving in cool, (but not cold,) temperatures. But remember, cool, (not cold,) is not the big problem for resistance heating with regard to range. It does not take a lot of energy to warm a passenger compartment when it is 50 degrees outside. The problems take hold when it is below freezing. In these circumstances, a heat pump just does not work, so even the Model Y must fall back on resistive heating. If you do most of your driving in 45-degree weather, then the heat pump is useful in most other temperature conditions it does not do a thing but add cost and one more mechanical part that can fail. Think about an ice vehicle, the air conditioning, which is nothing more than a limited heat pump is one of the most common things to require service.

I originally felt the same as you, that the lack of a heat pump was a lost opportunity, but have since revised my thinking, and am no longer sure that the heat pump is worth having.

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