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Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

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Well that's just wrong on a lot of counts.

There's already some BEV owners renting cars for long trips. (Although more common is simply taking a different car they already own, as BEV owners tend to be on the well-off side due to their higher prices.)

There's already people not buying a BEV because it's not a good fit for them (particularly if they don't have an easy way to charge at home, which is the primary advantage of owning a BEV).

Doesn't mean many people don't use them on road trips. But saying "nobody is going to rent a car" is just wrong.
You're right, it's not nobody, but I strongly believe it's a rounding error to the broader population who will choose to drive the expensive car they paid for when they need to drive somewhere.
 

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I'm not planning on going road tripping with the mache e because that's not why I'm buying it. Just to go to Dallas for example would take an extra couple of hours, so I will be using my remaining ice vehicle (which I'm fortunate to be able to keep). Even if I didn't have a backup ice vehicle I wouldn't mind renting as I don't road trip a ton. Not everyone is buying a bev as their all purpose car, especially because for some of us the range is just not there yet. It will be perfect for commuting and getting around town.
I really don't get buying a Mach-E for "around town" when I could just get a used Leaf if all I wanted was a grocery getter. I just can't wrap my head around it, honestly.
 

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I'll rent a car for certain trips that are business related. Many times the rental is less expensive than the depreciation factor on the cars I own. For example, if I have to drive to Oklahoma City to visit our operations there, I am renting. Cost for three days plus gas (about $100-120) is so much less than the 900 miles roundtrip on my car (soon to be a MACH E) at $0.575 per mile or $517.

I also travel a lot (well I did before COVID) and so I have over 20 free days with National now. Using those free days for family trips is awesome. We have rented Expeditions or Tahoes on ski trips to Colorado and New Mexico. It us much easier for four people and their ski stuff to spread out in a big SUV. Sometimes I use the free days, sometimes I pay for the rentals. It just depends on cost.

Just because I'll own a BEV, doesn't mean that I won't rent a car.
I mean I rent cars too - when I fly somewhere.
 

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I really don't get buying a Mach-E for "around town" when I could just get a used Leaf if all I wanted was a grocery getter. I just can't wrap my head around it, honestly.
The ability to see things from another's viewpoint takes practice.
 

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The idea of a $50,000 "city car" and then renting for trips is ludicrous, IMO. Just buy a Leaf then.
Long trips are a small % of the miles we drive. 90% is around home. Why would I buy a Leaf for 90% but spend twice as much just for the last 10%?? That wouldn't make sense.

90% means a lot more than 10%.
 

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......... I've never heard of any Tesla owner who doesn't take their own car on a trip. I mean maybe a i-MiEV ownr would rent for a trip, but no Mach-E owner is going to do this. Why would you ever buy a car you didn't want to trip with?

BEV customers span all ranges of people. There's nobody for whom a BEV isn't the right choice, and that includes road trippers.
I don’t use my Tesla for long road trips any more. Even though I have free supercharging, I prefer the flexibility and longer range of an ICE, plus I can skip the drama of superchargers. Not to mention the seats in my Tesla are not very adjustable or comfortable and the car is not as quiet as my ICE vehicles on the highway.
 

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The heat pump is only included on Kona’s shipped to Canada. I would have liked one seeing as how I’m in New England. 🥶
Didn't they offer it has an option ?
 

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I really hate knocking Tesla because of all that they have done for the EV market and acceptance. I really do not think we have the Mach E anytime soon without Tesla there. But now the real game is beginning for them. They had a niche, that is now about to burst into the mainstream. With Ford, VW, and other OEM's now entering the market with strong products, Tesla is going to have to also focus on their quality, their customers, and the strength of their product.

If they don't get over their own arrogance, pretty soon they will be putting CCS cables on all of those Superchargers to survive. And don't get me wrong, I do hope they get over their own arrogance and are a strong competitor - if they do, we all win.

I really enjoy Sandy Munro's videos, but for the life of me, (and I am NOT an engineer) cannot figure out why he has become so enamored with them and with Elon. I get the innovation part, but innovating alone without a strong product does not get you sales.
You must take what Munro says with a bucket of salt! While there is some useful content there is also a lot of B.S.
 

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The heat pump is only included on Kona’s shipped to Canada. I would have liked one seeing as how I’m in New England. 🥶
I think they are in the US Kona’s Now.
 

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Figure about $1k for the rental for week Thanksgiving trip. Another $1k for Christmas. Another $1k for a summer trip, $3k a year on top of $15K extra for the car? Plus gasoline costs?

EV evangelists might pay the premium but for a regular person already stretching to pay the EV premium, might be too much to ask.
Don't know who you rent from but those prices are extremely high compared to real world rental prices. Also note that at holiday times (in non vacation areas) rentals tend to be even less expensive since there is less business rental demand.
 

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I don’t use my Tesla for long road trips any more. Even though I have free supercharging, I prefer the flexibility and longer range of an ICE, plus I can skip the drama of superchargers. Not to mention the seats in my Tesla are not very adjustable or comfortable and the car is not as quiet as my ICE vehicles on the highway.
I don't have free Supercharging and you still couldn't pay me to drive an ICE car.

That said, I do look forward to the Mach-E being quieter. My OEM tires are just about worn out, might go for some quieter ones in case that helps in the meantime.
 

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