Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

[trutolife27]

No one knows what all updates will come over the air later from ford. We sure do know for a fact that tesla over the air updates has been many. So why not give the same fairness to ford?

Back when the Mache was announced there were so many videos popping up on youtube. How much better the tesla model y was then the mache and this and that.

Now that more and more info has come out about the Mache and price"price cuts". Those same videos have not been redone or changed. Why? hmmm, Why?

You see the same thing with the ID4. Tesla video jumping right from the start on the id4 how bad it is. But before the mache cost was too much compared to the model Y. Now the ID4 costs less but in the video, they say that does not matter, since the ID4 is so slow. LOL, you have to wade through the crap to see the one sided fanboys out there.

let's compare apples here.

The model y is 50,000. You get one paint option and one interior color option unless paying more.
the Mache "comparable model is 54,700. You do get however four paint colors to pick from and two interior colors, at no extra cost. So if you wanted say a model y with red paint and white interior that cost increase is 3,000 dollars. WOW

Yes, tesla has the lead on supercharging stations and how quick it charges. But with VW and ford in time they will have as many. The faster charging can be a double edge sword though. The more times you heavily use a supercharger the more chances you have for it to degrade the battery. 10 years from now we will know the true effect on that on the model y and mache.

Now the range for the model y at that price says 316 and the Mache right now is 270 at that price.
We don't know the final range of the Mache yet, but I keep hearing 4% to 10% more when the final test are done. So if the Mache can get to 290 to 300 range for AWD then really not much difference. I know of a few tests done already where the mache has gotten over 300 miles for AWD.

Both the Model Y and MAche at this price range are 0 to 60 4.8 seconds. The same. However, the model y can get an increase of .5 0 to 60 for a price of 2,000 dollars. I hate that and reminds me of the video game craft items they charge after a video game is out just to nickel and dime the consumer. Really it is a shitty way of doing business and the price for what you get has no value.

That really is the main two points you hear brought up the most. What is the range of the EV and how fast? Not saying that is what matters the most to each person, But tesla, not ford did a survey and over 81% said those two things mattered the most.

So with that said I do know all Mache will have incentives also ranging from 1,000 to 3,000 more off depending on where you live. So let's just take the low end of 1,000.

So model y is still 50,000 and now the Mache is 53,700.
You can also sign up and get the x plan. which can save you a couple hundred. so now say 53,500.

The big help is ford still has the 7,500 federal tax credit. If you qualify and get it then the price comes down to. 46,200. Now The mache is the better value at that price market. If your live where it might be 3,000 off incentives then your talking. 44,200.

That is the reason you don't see any new videos comparing the Mache to the Model y. Because now you finally have a competitor with great options vs the model y.
You instead see a hundred videos on how the model y is so much better than the ID4.

But as Volkswagon said the ID4 was not made to go against the model y. Not even close on a lot of specs.

At the end of the day choose what makes YOU happy. Model Y, ID4, Mache, or a broomstick.
If you're going to spew misleading info out, well in that case then we debate.

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[silverelan]

Ron Heiser and Darren Palmer confirmed the MME's charge time from 20% to 80% as 38 minutes on the last webinar. I very much hope it's quicker than that but we have to go with what we've been told.

The number of CCS stations over 100kW pales compared to V2+ Tesla Superchargers. It'll grow quickly but we're at a disadvantage for awhile.

I believe on range, Ford MME has matched or beats Tesla Model Y.

 

[Shayne]

MAche is not 7 years behind lmao. Just tesla propaganda.

If its Netflix and games, and fart noises in the car that makes it soooooooooooo amazing and more advanced, then I pass.

For one I have seen the lag in Netflix and the chrome in the tesla. Many times sit with long lag times. There are even many videos from tesla owners saying its better to just watch from their phone then the car with the lag and buffering.?

Not Let's talk cutting corners. What is the structured adhesive in a tesla car, what is the sound reduction adhesive in a tesla? How many water baffles are in place throughout the vehicle. How does the tech on the drain tubes work? Does it have 3d patterned sound foam in the wheel wells?
Why is the road noise so bad many tesla? ?

I mean really tesla one screen. Y not one right above the steering wheel. Right all this tech and safety, self-driving right. Seems to me be better to see "some items right in the front where your looking at the road.

Tesla cuts corners in build quality that other cough cough "FORD" does not.
I rather have better-build quality at the end of the day then pushing a button to make fart noises.

Oh, and why the heck can you just open the glove box without touching the screen and going finding the part where you have to touch for it to open. Guess the same engineer that though the glossy black trim wouldn't have thousands of fingerprints all over it.?

At the end of the day, its kinda like the girl at the bar you thought was a 10 out of a 10. But next morning you wake up and the push-up bra and 5 layer makeup is washed off and you see that 10 is 5. Tesla paint and lipstick brother and the paint ain't worth a damn. ?



And that's the bottom line because TRU said so.

For me the verdict is still out until we see the range numbers on Fords 100 KWh pack. That will tell us how Ford is doing compared to Tesla. Fart noise that we do not have to touch will not be the yardstick for me. I do see poor quality in some items of the Tesla; like poorly applied foam insulation in the base of the pillars without thought of ventilation or drainage. A strap tie around a heat exchanger. They can rush and can be mickey mouse with some things.

I do not need a car (or phone) to be too smart as they really do not do too much; hard wired boxes still work best for my needs. I do care how they go and their range. Not to concerned about the size of the monitor (30" 2560x1600 works better). I am not buying a computer (parts) but a long range BEV. Really does not need to do much; power and range are my yardsticks. I can chill and charge not a big deal for me; will most likely be 99% L2 and for the few times required I can relax and enjoy (9 speakers right and car play?).

 

[Gary Hankins]

Now #1 BEV seller in Norway is Audi - . Tesla S and X are not selling anymore -
MAYBE Mach E will join Audi ?

While Ford may be entering the market with a commitment which seven years later than Tesla, Ford's research and development has already surpassed Tesla. And they are just getting started!

 

[Jolteon]

Why 200+ kW? The Mach-E tops out at 150.

Because that's the only way to make the Mach-E look better.

 

[Jolteon]

While Ford may be entering the market with a commitment which seven years later than Tesla, Ford's research and development has already surpassed Tesla. And they are just getting started!

Really? What evidence is there of that? I'm very interested.

 

[Jolteon]

No one knows what all updates will come over the air later from ford. We sure do know for a fact that tesla over the air updates has been many. So why not give the same fairness to ford?


The model y is 50,000. You get one paint option and one interior color option unless paying more.
the Mache "comparable model is 54,700. You do get however four paint colors to pick from and two interior colors, at no extra cost. So if you wanted say a model y with red paint and white interior that cost increase is 3,000 dollars. WOW

I wouldn't throw stones here. Grabber Blue is a $16,000 upcharge on Mach-E since it requires First Edition.

I won't give Ford the benefit of the doubt on OTA *to catch up to features my Tesla in my driveway already has* only because Ford themselves (that Iorio guy) on Instagram said they WERE NOT adding Sentry Mode or a built-in dashcam to the Mach-E OTA when he was asked.

Plus - OTA isn't supposed to be a "we'll catch Tesla someday" it's supposed to be a "we've got more when we launch *AND THEN IT GETS EVEN BETTER* over time" feature.

 

[Jolteon]

For me the verdict is still out until we see the range numbers on Fords 100 KWh pack. That will tell us how Ford is doing compared to Tesla. Fart noise that we do not have to touch will not be the yardstick for me. I do see poor quality in some items of the Tesla; like poorly applied foam insulation in the base of the pillars without thought of ventilation or drainage. A strap tie around a heat exchanger. They can rush and can be mickey mouse with some things.

I do not need a car (or phone) to be too smart as they really do not do too much; hard wired boxes still work best for my needs. I do care how they go and their range. Not to concerned about the size of the monitor (30" 2560x1600 works better). I am not buying a computer (parts) but a long range BEV. Really does not need to do much; power and range are my yardsticks. I can chill and charge not a big deal for me; will most likely be 99% L2 and for the few times required I can relax and enjoy (9 speakers right and car play?).

My Focus went back to the dealer 12 times before it was at the same mileage my Tesla is now... and it's only gone back twice. Far as my evidence suggests, Ford's quality is 6x worse than Tesla's if we're going by anecdotes.

 

[Shayne]

Really? What evidence is there of that? I'm very interested.

You really think this is the first time Ford has built the shell of an automobile? You think Tesla has more experience with their one tier approach. That Tesla has the only and best engineers? Does not matter how good you are, at something, humility will show you there is always someone better. Like Hyundai when it comes to range. How many world #1's stay there forever?

How small do you need to be to get into a model 3? How young do you need to be to get out. The model 3 is not close to being comparable with the MME; the X/Y are more apples to apples. We will see what the EPA of the Ford is; the model Y is 290 mi on a 75 KWh pack (0.7 scalars used). Sad we now have to drag 11 KWh's of dead weight around. It would have been nice to push the extra 20 KWh in some faces.

 

[trutolife27]

I wouldn't throw stones here. Grabber Blue is a $16,000 upcharge on Mach-E since it requires First Edition.

I won't give Ford the benefit of the doubt on OTA *to catch up to features my Tesla in my driveway already has* only because Ford themselves (that Iorio guy) on Instagram said they WERE NOT adding Sentry Mode or a built-in dashcam to the Mach-E OTA when he was asked.

Plus - OTA isn't supposed to be a "we'll catch Tesla someday" it's supposed to be a "we've got more when we launch *AND THEN IT GETS EVEN BETTER* over time" feature.

16,000 lmao. An first edition is 58,300. minus 1,000 to 3,000 in incentives, minus x plan. so 57,000 for grabber blue first edition. minus the 7,500 tax credit 49,500. Still, less then a Tesla y and that person can have grabber blue. But hey if 1% of people who want that color at least they have an option. Does tesla even offer grabber blue........................................hmm didn't think so.

You act like the mache is so far behind in tech and its not. No way because of a sentry mode or dashcam. You can buy way better aftermarket dash cams anyways. But you can't buy the mache interface on a Telsa. Nore, can you have a display in front of the driver? Having to grab the door handle really. Like hello, it's 2020 why not just push a button and the door opens for you.

The apps and third party ability in the mache are far better then what tesla has.

 

[dbsb3233]

Ron Heiser and Darren Palmer confirmed the MME's charge time from 20% to 80% as 38 minutes on the last webinar. I very much hope it's quicker than that but we have to go with what we've been told.

The 38 minutes is for the SR battery. It's 45 for the ER. And I think he just misspoke when he said 20-80%, really meaning 10-80%.

 

[trutolife27]

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

This video seems to do that weird thing of a computer TTS voice instead of an actual person.

 

[dbsb3233]

I wouldn't throw stones here. Grabber Blue is a $16,000 upcharge on Mach-E since it requires First Edition.

Um, no. No paint color is a $16,000 upcharge. That color is simply not available on the lower trims. The $16,000 pays for the ER battery, and AWD, and the glass roof, and all the other Premium/FE features.

 

[Shayne]

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What people do not understand is the battery cost in EV's is a substantial portion of the cost. The battery of the MME is substantially larger than the Y. This is a major bonus on the side of Ford but never mentioned?

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