Ordered Extended Range Battery, Got the Standard

[KyloRen]

How do you check the battery type/ capacity? other than actually charging from 0 to 100%? Is this info anywhere in the menu / button?

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[timbop]

As mentioned several times: you don't need to do a 100% charge to find out. If you have on OBD2 scanner (or take it to a COMPETENT dealer) they can read the battery kwh. Alternatively, you don't need to charge 100%. You can put 20% or 25% in using a DCFC or smart L2 that tells you the kwh added and multiply that value by 5 (20%) or 4 (25%) to get a reasonable estimate of the battery size.

 

[mkhuffman]

The horse it dead. Dead, I tell you.

 

[generaltso]

Before making accusations, run the car down to 10%, charge to 90% and document kWh‘s the charger says was added. If it around 70 this is an extended ER battery, around 55 would be standard range.

Or don’t, since she already acknowledged that she has the correct battery.

 

[EELinneman]

Actually, in many tests the Mach E overperforms the EPA mileage rating. Edmunds is one source where they apply a pretty good real-world range test to all of their EVs. The 270 mile rated 4X did 303 miles and the 305 mile rated rwd ER did 344 miles. Test is a 60/40 city/hwy mix in SoCal with mild temps.

Of all EV makers, Tesla is the only one Edmunds has called out for consistently failing to meet EPA estimates, there’s your scam.

You must be referring to this:
South Korea fines Tesla $2.2 mln for exaggerating driving range of EVs | Reuters

 

[mkhuffman]

Or don’t, since she already acknowledged that she has the correct battery.

Horse. Dead.

 

[generaltso]

Horse. Dead.

If only.

 

[A-A-Ron]

The horse it dead. Dead, I tell you.

Well yeah, you can't well beat a dead horse if it's still alive now can you?

 

[Rory]

The horse it dead. Dead, I tell you.

No, it’s just pining for the fjords.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I think you guys didn't pick up on the fact that @Fersigo lives in the UK, where they rate his model using the WLTP test cycle at 373 miles of range.

Sorry, but I agree with him, it is definitely a bit of a scam. It is not Ford scamming buyers, though, it is the government. Seriously, 373 miles of range? Nobody in any real world situation can achieve that on a regular basis. Nobody.

https://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-s...ng-Mach-E-98kWh-Extended-Range-RWD-282HP.html

No, I get that. Most of the European users I’ve communicated with on this and other EV forums understand the WLTP ratings to be pure fantasy for most use cases. And they understand the automakers aren’t necessarily at fault for the overrating.

InsideEVs had an article a while back that said on average, WLTP is 22% higher than EPA range over all models. They also said China’s CLTC is 35% higher and by far the least accurate of the 3 ratings.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

You must be referring to this:
South Korea fines Tesla $2.2 mln for exaggerating driving range of EVs | Reuters

No, but there’s another example. I think they also ran afoul of local regs in Norway a while back.

 

[MellowJohnny]

No, but there’s another example. I think they also ran afoul of local regs in Norway a while back.

I posted the Reuters story on the Mach-E vs. The Competiton sub-board as well.

But it made me wonder about all the EV makers - do any of them mention cold weather range drop explicitly? They all rely on EPA estimates, maybe there should be two - a “warm” and a “cold” estimate.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I posted the Reuters story on the Mach-E vs. The Competiton sub-board as well.

But it made me wonder about all the EV makers - do any of them mention cold weather range drop explicitly? They all rely on EPA estimates, maybe there should be two - a “warm” and a “cold” estimate.

Yoda says: Rabbit hole will it lead to….. Seriously though, what’s cold? Here in CenTX the coldest winter temps usually sit at 20-30F nightly and 30-40F daily. So, our worst GOM (4X) at 100% was about 210 miles. Poor bastards in International Falls, MN would rejoice at a 40F day and 210 miles of range though I bet. Then again, we can also hit 105-110F without the benefit of desert dryness so we often blast Max AC almost all summer long.

 

[MellowJohnny]

Yoda says: Rabbit hole will it lead to….. Seriously though, what’s cold? Here in CenTX the coldest winter temps usually sit at 20-30F nightly and 30-40F daily. So, our worst GOM (4X) at 100% was about 210 miles. Poor bastards in International Falls, MN would rejoice at a 40F day and 210 miles of range though I bet. Then again, we can also hit 105-110F without the benefit of desert dryness so we often blast Max AC almost all summer long.

Pick a temp - something below the battery's happy place. 40F? 45F? 32F? Let the EPA decide, it's just another parameter for testing.

The point is there is such a drastic difference in range there should be two numbers.

They do the same with gasoline - says right on the pump - Volume corrected to 15c.

I'm not advocating for a temp, it doesn't matter really matter, just that the test happens at two very different ambient temps.

 

[devmach-e]

I posted the Reuters story on the Mach-E vs. The Competiton sub-board as well.

But it made me wonder about all the EV makers - do any of them mention cold weather range drop explicitly? They all rely on EPA estimates, maybe there should be two - a “warm” and a “cold” estimate.

Under the rules from the FTC and EPA they cannot mention how much range will drop in cold weather. This is because there isn’t a specific cold weather range test. They can only use the results from the EPA test. The same EPA test that every car undergoes, regardless of powertrain. They can, and do, issue a disclaimer that your range/MPG will vary due to variety of issues, including weather, but cannot bring up specifics of that variation.

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