Deciding between a standard or extended range battery

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This vehicle will be close to twice the $$ I've ever spent on a vehicle before, so I'll definitely show it off.
Model 3 was for me at $52k and MachE even more at $58k but I get $7,500 on MachE and only got $3597 Fed tax credit on M3. Model 3 resale is high, KBB.com says my $52k car will resell for $48 with 18,000 miles on it.

Aiming for MachE but could save $10k on Kona EV and get all the same features. Plus Kona can do this and Tesla and MachE can't.

 
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Model 3 was for me at $52k and MachE even more at $58k but I get $7,500 on MachE and only got $3597 Fed tax credit on M3. Model 3 resale is high, KBB.com says my $52k car will resell for $48 with 18,000 miles on it.

Aiming for MachE but could save $10k on Kona EV and get all the same features. Plus Kona can do this and Tesla and MachE can't.

I see but I'm not a drag strip fan and don't care if o-60 is under 4 or 6 seconds. I'm more into range and charging efficiency.
 

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I see but I'm not a drag strip fan and don't care if o-60 is under 4 or 6 seconds. I'm more into range and charging efficiency.
Same here. As long as makes it up the onramp nicely for my drive to Costco, that's enough 0-60 for my needs. 😁

Not that I won't enjoy the extra pep. Every extra perk is nice. I'm actually looking more forward to the instant torque without that notorious ICE delay when giving it gas.
 

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I see but I'm not a drag strip fan and don't care if o-60 is under 4 or 6 seconds.
Oh but you will my young apprentice, you will. I think that is a big part of the appeal of EV's is the king of the road quickness. After poking around in Prius and Energi to save the planet, now it's Buckaroo Banzai and the 8th Demension fun time. Paid our pokeman dues.
 

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I think you're inferring that ongoing, rapid advancements have caused quicker than typical devaluation of the i3 and Bolt that you have leased.

How was this accounted for by the lease terms? In other words, did the manufacturer or dealer predict the low residual and thus your total outlay was higher than for an equivalently priced ICE car (after accounting for tax incentives)? Or did you make out well financially because for some reason, they're assuming a high residual?
I feel we’ve been lucky so far with the arrogance of automakers in thinking their product is the next big thing. Both the BMW and the BoltEV were both 60% residuals and on the Bolt I believe it was a 0.00059ish money factor.

That said I think Chevy is currently eating some losses on the Bolts. My residual is definitely higher than the price of the same model year and trim level sitting on a Chevy lot.
 

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Short commute, use of ICE for longer trips/vacation., no real need for public charging makes one think why spend the extra cash for the Mach E when the Bolt will do the same thing for short distance commutes. No need for AWD option?
The Bolt has been a good little car but there are definitely some annoyances when it comes to build quality, interior finishings, cargo space, and other little things. Honestly if Chevy announced a new Bolt with similar interior quality and infotainment system as the MachE I wouldn’t be giving the MachE so much consideration.

Lease up in November and a fairly low reservation number and good chance at taking advantage of the EV credit mean I could potentially get into the MachE for not too much more than the Bolt (depending on the rest of Ford’s lease program).
 

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Model 3 was for me at $52k and MachE even more at $58k but I get $7,500 on MachE and only got $3597 Fed tax credit on M3. Model 3 resale is high, KBB.com says my $52k car will resell for $48 with 18,000 miles on it.

Aiming for MachE but could save $10k on Kona EV and get all the same features. Plus Kona can do this and Tesla and MachE can't.

I think in OR you have access to both the Kona Electric and the Niro EV. If AWD doesn't matter to you and the $ savings does, then one of the Korean EVs isn't a bad way to go if it's to be used in town with minimal road tripping (77kW max charge rate).

It was fun spinning out the Niro EV's tires at 20mph on dry pavement when I floored it but it also illustrated to me just how vital AWD is on Seattle's hilly wet streets. The Mach-E is also just so much cooler looking than the Koreans.

@AndyS_OSU, Used Bolt EVs are surprisingly pricey despite the price drop on new ones (Chevy dealer reached out to me this week with a 2020 Bolt EV LT for $26k). GM really doesn't seem to be trying with their EV offerings. It's a bit baffling.

2021 Chevy Bolt EV
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It was fun spinning out the Niro EV's tires at 20mph on dry pavement when I floored it but it also illustrated to me just how vital AWD is on Seattle's hilly wet streets.
Never had any issues with hills with FWD or RWD for that matter. AWD is best for fast acceleration and in snow and ice, that’s about it. But FWD is really good on snow and ice also. Did the Intermountain West ski tour for five years with FWD cars and good snows, no issues.

On range, this issue, always, always, always get as much range as you can afford with an EV.

I have a long commute 104 miles round trip and in Winter I have to charge every day and that’s with 310 mile rated car. The Kona or Niro would have the same issue but for $17k less money and with same features Model 3 does not have.
 

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Yup, I agree on range for the most part.

I'm just telling you, for the Korean twins, they put out almost 300ftlbs of torque on skinny eco tires. They need AWD to take advantage of the EV drivetrain. Sitting at a 10% grade at a stoplight when it's raining in Seattle, the tires spin out easily for any fwd car. I see/hear it daily man with fossil cars with just a fraction of the power the Kona Electric and Niro EV have.
 
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I spun out the regular hybrid Ioniq the first time I test drove one. On completely flat road, accelerating into a turn to get to a highway on ramp. I think it's just the tires and how they've mapped the accelerator pedal. Probably one of the ways they get such great MPG -- force drivers to be very light footed. :)
 

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I looked at a Kona last weekend and the dealer was asking over $50k on the sticker... I laugh my way off the lot.
 

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Does anybody know about the capabilities of Sema Connect? Where my son goes to college, they just installed six of them. Below is the spec. How fast will this charge to 80% from say 10%?
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Does anybody know about the capabilities of Sema Connect? Where my son goes to college, they just installed six of them. Below is the spec. How fast will this charge to 80% from say 10%?
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The sheet says 7.2kW so on an ER battery, going from 10% -> 80% will be about 60-70kWh of energy (depending on the buffer). Figure about 8-10 hours.
 

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The sheet says 7.2kW so on an ER battery, going from 10% -> 80% will be about 60-70kWh of energy (depending on the buffer). Figure about 8-10 hours.
Ooo. Not too fast then. That trip at 180 miles one way, was influencing whether to get an AWD SR or ER. That is not a great situation for having to charge that long over night.
 
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