Deciding between a standard or extended range battery

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same here. And as I’ve said before it would mean $10k in savings here in NJ by staying under $55k. Won’t need the 270 for my daily needs and have ice for trips.
Same here. Keeping under $55k for us in NJ is huge.
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Since everyone is watching the money aspect of options. Has your state
raised license plate fees ?? Ohio did this year :
ice car : $55.00
Hybrid : $100.00
EV : $200.00

They say we will not pay gas tax.
 

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When I had my Tesla Roadster I was told by Tesla to NEVER let the batteries
go down to zero miles or completely drained. This will cause the batteries
to now become useless. Yes a "Boat Anchor" Is this true ? Anyone know if
this is what will happen ?
It's always a bad idea to let rechargeable batteries get drained completely, which can happen if they're left for long period (like months/years) without use. That's why, for instance, I have to keep my battery-powered lawnmower plugged in all winter.

Here's a story from 2012 on the Roadster...

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1073289_tesla-battery-bricking-the-real-story-behind-the-post
 

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Since everyone is watching the money aspect of options. Has your state
raised license plate fees ?? Ohio did this year :
ice car : $55.00
Hybrid : $100.00
EV : $200.00

They say we will not pay gas tax.
I expect that to happen here in CO soon too. It's only $50/yr here (for the "extra" EV component above all the normal fees). The state gas tax averages around $136/yr for a typical vehicle by my calculation. $50 is too low to fund the roads at the comparable level.

Looks like OH's state gas tax is $0.385/gal. Figure an average vehicle getting 25 MPG driving 12,000 miles/yr, that's $184 in gas tax. So even the $145 difference you showed is a break for EVs relative to paying gas tax.
 

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I expect that to happen here in CO soon too. It's only $50/yr here (for the "extra" EV component above all the normal fees). The state gas tax averages around $136/yr for a typical vehicle by my calculation. $50 is too low to fund the roads at the comparable level.

Looks like OH's state gas tax is $0.385/gal. Figure an average vehicle getting 25 MPG driving 12,000 miles/yr, that's $184 in gas tax. So even the $145 difference you showed is a break for EVs relative to paying gas tax.
So far it looks like NJ is not charging extra. Nice.
 


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Just a reminder why this is an important issue to try and get a feel for through research and discussion... Those of us with Mach-e reservations and wanting to buy ASAP will probably need to place our vehicle orders BEFORE production vehicles hit the road and we get reports of real-world range and efficiency from owners. Which includes picking the battery.

It's been reported that we can still cancel our order if we decide we don't want the vehicle after doing a test drive. But I saw nothing about CHANGING our order specs at that point. I'm guessing that might take us out of line as the original spec'd vehicle is probably already in the production queue.
 

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I would be very surprised if they let you change without penalty, but maybe they will. In either case I'm not sure there will be much real experience with the car at that time anyway
 

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I’m in year 6 of driving purely BEVs (BMW i3 and now a BoltEV) and as battery capacity is concerned I can safely say....

It really just depends on your situation. When I reserved the MachE I elected for extended battery but pretty convinced I’ll switch to standard when ordering. Why?
  • My daily commute is 3 miles round trip. A couple days a week I drive 60-70 miles.
  • For extended road trips, family dictates that we take the wife’s Honda Odyssey.
  • 99.9% of my charging can be done at home.
  • And until we really solidify around a core set of technologies that don’t change as rapidly (and thus effect the value of the car long term), leasing electric vehicles will be my program of choice. So I live with range restrictions already
So the point is take a look at your own situation to determine what you need. Are you going to purchase or lease? Where do you live? Here in Texas my effective range on the Bolt is around 210 miles because of either cooling in the blazing hot summers or heating in the winters. But that’s still enough range to get me through an entire week. Are you going to need the car for long trips? Will you be forced to do charging outside of your own home?

Until we can consistently get 350-400 miles of range and have vast networks that can charge next gen batteries in 10-15 minutes, it just makes since to really examine your own situation and tailor your choice to that.
 

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I’m in year 6 of driving purely BEVs (BMW i3 and now a BoltEV) and as battery capacity is concerned I can safely say....

It really just depends on your situation. When I reserved the MachE I elected for extended battery but pretty convinced I’ll switch to standard when ordering. Why?
  • My daily commute is 3 miles round trip. A couple days a week I drive 60-70 miles.
  • For extended road trips, family dictates that we take the wife’s Honda Odyssey.
  • 99.9% of my charging can be done at home.
  • And until we really solidify around a core set of technologies that don’t change as rapidly (and thus effect the value of the car long term), leasing electric vehicles will be my program of choice. So I live with range restrictions already
So the point is take a look at your own situation to determine what you need. Are you going to purchase or lease? Where do you live? Here in Texas my effective range on the Bolt is around 210 miles because of either cooling in the blazing hot summers or heating in the winters. But that’s still enough range to get me through an entire week. Are you going to need the car for long trips? Will you be forced to do charging outside of your own home?

Until we can consistently get 350-400 miles of range and have vast networks that can charge next gen batteries in 10-15 minutes, it just makes since to really examine your own situation and tailor your choice to that.
Very helpful experienced viewpoint. I would like to lease for the reasons you state above. However I put over 20k a year on my commuter, which is an edge sport, so too many miles to lease. However I would think without ice, leases could allow more miles per year. I imagine this will happen in time but I don’t know if it will happen in time for me/us. If I buy I assume I will have to drive it for a long time because within a few years it won’t have too much residual value. Hope I am wrong, but only time will tell.
 

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I’m in year 6 of driving purely BEVs (BMW i3 and now a BoltEV) and as battery capacity is concerned I can safely say....

It really just depends on your situation. When I reserved the MachE I elected for extended battery but pretty convinced I’ll switch to standard when ordering. Why?
  • My daily commute is 3 miles round trip. A couple days a week I drive 60-70 miles.
  • For extended road trips, family dictates that we take the wife’s Honda Odyssey.
  • 99.9% of my charging can be done at home.
  • And until we really solidify around a core set of technologies that don’t change as rapidly (and thus effect the value of the car long term), leasing electric vehicles will be my program of choice. So I live with range restrictions already
So the point is take a look at your own situation to determine what you need. Are you going to purchase or lease? Where do you live? Here in Texas my effective range on the Bolt is around 210 miles because of either cooling in the blazing hot summers or heating in the winters. But that’s still enough range to get me through an entire week. Are you going to need the car for long trips? Will you be forced to do charging outside of your own home?

Until we can consistently get 350-400 miles of range and have vast networks that can charge next gen batteries in 10-15 minutes, it just makes since to really examine your own situation and tailor your choice to that.
Short commute, use of ICE for longer trips/vacation., no real need for public charging makes one think why spend the extra cash for the Mach E when the Bolt will do the same thing for short distance commutes. No need for AWD option?
 

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Short commute, use of ICE for longer trips/vacation., no real need for public charging makes one think why spend the extra cash for the Mach E when the Bolt will do the same thing for short distance commutes. No need for AWD option?
with the Fed rebate on the select trim, the e is in the same price range as the bolt and has much better styling and features. Even with the current rebates on the bolt premier edition the cos t isn't that far off for what you get, and who knows what rebates will be available next year
 
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... until we really solidify around a core set of technologies that don’t change as rapidly (and thus effect the value of the car long term), leasing electric vehicles will be my program of choice.
I think you're inferring that ongoing, rapid advancements have caused quicker than typical devaluation of the i3 and Bolt that you have leased.

How was this accounted for by the lease terms? In other words, did the manufacturer or dealer predict the low residual and thus your total outlay was higher than for an equivalently priced ICE car (after accounting for tax incentives)? Or did you make out well financially because for some reason, they're assuming a high residual?
 

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Short commute, use of ICE for longer trips/vacation., no real need for public charging makes one think why spend the extra cash for the Mach E when the Bolt will do the same thing for short distance commutes. No need for AWD option?
I have 0 commute (retired). Just occasional drives to store, family/friends, doctor, etc. (the usual stuff). And I'm planning on getting the Mach-e instead of the Bolt. Just because it's nicer.

Even without a work commute, the around-home driving will still be the large majority of my car time (relative to road trips). We might do 1600 miles of road tripping in a year, and probably 6-8k around home.
 

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Oh yeah, I'm expecting to do some fun drives and a little showing off after I get it, no doubt. This vehicle will be close to twice the $$ I've ever spent on a vehicle before, so I'll definitely show it off.

It really is more of a splurge for us. BEVs make more sense for people that drive a lot of miles. The more miles, the more economic advantages they have. We're on the opposite end. We know we're blowing extra money for it that we'll never fully recoup (vs an ICE vehicle).

But we're at the point in our lives that we can afford to splurge a little. And I just like the idea of our two vehicles being one BEV and one ICE. Get to have the best of both.
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