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I was finally able to find some data to compare the AS3 regular to the elect. Tire Rack tested both of them, and while they didn’t do them head to head, the DWS 06 was in both tests, so can provide a reference point. It isn’t a perfect comparison, but it’s the best I can do until someone tests them head to head.

It appears there’s a small drop in a few metrics relative to the DWS06, especially wet and dry braking, which are at the top of my list. For me, a bit more braking ability is worth a little more noise. Also, have been seeing a few stories about issues when the foam inside separates, not specifically with the Pirellis, but EV tires in general. So one less potential issue avoided by going with the normal tires.

I have a set of the normal AS3+ that have just dropped under 5/32nds of tread at 23,000 miles. I was going to wait to see what kind of test results the Cross Climate 3 Sport tires got, but it seems like it will be a year or more before that tire makes it here and gets tested, so am putting on another set of the AS3+.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/are-ev-specific-tires-better-than-popular-non-ev-tires?ttid=338

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/test...ce-all-season-the-search-for-balance?ttid=334

Ford Mustang Mach-E Review: Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 ELECT IMG_0339~2_Original


Ford Mustang Mach-E Review: Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 ELECT IMG_0340
 
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I was/am a little confused re: your statement "It appears there’s a small drop in a few metrics relative to the DWS06, especially wet and dry braking" - The graphs say lower number is better, so doesn't that mean the plot points closer to the middle (lower % numbers) are better? If so, it would seem the AS3 Elect outperforms the DWS06 except wet average cornering. I'm assuming the % is referencing some standard braking distance / cornering time / slalom time.

Am I missing something?
 

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I was/am a little confused re: your statement "It appears there’s a small drop in a few metrics relative to the DWS06, especially wet and dry braking" - The graphs say lower number is better, so doesn't that mean the plot points closer to the middle (lower % numbers) are better? If so, it would seem the AS3 Elect outperforms the DWS06 except wet average cornering. I'm assuming the % is referencing some standard braking distance / cornering time / slalom time.

Am I missing something?
I think they have the chart labeled incorrectly. The gray shading in the middle is the "average" of all the tires in that particular test. The lines represent the relative performance of that particular tire in comparison to the others. So 101% means that tire performed 1% better than average. 99% mean the tire performed 1% worse than the other tires. If you dig into the test report, you can find actual numbers.

For example, the test represented by the first chart has the number for the DWS wet braking at 128.6ft, while the AS+3 elec is 129.4ft. The DWS dry braking is 119.3ft and the AS+3 elec is 119.6ft. That corresponds with what the lines show.

At best this is a rough comparison. You can't really compare the numerical data from the EV test to the UHP test; different test cars, drivers, and track conditions make that useless. But if you decide the DWS performed a little better overall than the AS+3 elects, and the AS+3 non-elects performed a little better overall than the DWS, you can infer the normal AS+3 performs better than the AS+3 elects.

That's the best I'm going to get unless someone does a head to head comparison.
 
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Hello, I'm looking at tires and found 2 sets of Pirelli Elect tires, the P Zero AS Plus 3 Elect and the Scorpion Zero AS Plus 3 Elect. I'm curious if anyone bought the Scorpion version or if anyone knows the difference.

https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car/catalog/product/pzero-as-plus-3
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car/catalog/product/scorpion-zero-as-plus-3
Both tires are almost identical. Pirelli's Scorpion series are for trucks and SUV's because they have a slightly stiffer sidewall to handle heavier loads. That said they are not as sporty as the P Zero AS Plus 3. EITHER ONE will work just fine on the Mach-E and they will both be as quiet. The P Zero will be a bit more comfortable than the Scorpion.
 

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Both tires are almost identical. Pirelli's Scorpion series are for trucks and SUV's because they have a slightly stiffer sidewall to handle heavier loads. That said they are not as sporty as the P Zero AS Plus 3. EITHER ONE will work just fine on the Mach-E and they will both be as quiet. The P Zero will be a bit more comfortable than the Scorpion.
Thank you. I was looking for the other posts where you had the upsizes that would fit a ‘21 Premium AWD with the 19 wheels but couldn’t find it. Can you share the upsize possibilities from 225/50R19 which fit? I have no other changes such as springs, etc.

Thanks again.
 

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Thank you. I was looking for the other posts where you had the upsizes that would fit a ‘21 Premium AWD with the 19 wheels but couldn’t find it. Can you share the upsize possibilities from 225/50R19 which fit? I have no other changes such as springs, etc.

Thanks again.
I would run 245/50/19. The factory size is actually 225/55/19 103

Those are near identical overall height so speedo, abs, traction control would all jive like they are supposed to. And they will fit the factory wheels
 

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Thank you. I was looking for the other posts where you had the upsizes that would fit a ‘21 Premium AWD with the 19 wheels but couldn’t find it. Can you share the upsize possibilities from 225/50R19 which fit? I have no other changes such as springs, etc.

Thanks again.
Your OEM tires should be 225/55R19 not 225/50R19, correct?

In any case, I would run either 245/50R19 or 255/50R19. Both will fit on your 7" wide wheel.
Both will have very little to no effect on your speedo. The 255 will be one inch wider giving you a much better looking tire than the bicycle look you have now.

EDIT: I see Brian posted basically the same info just before I did. 😊
 

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I have not used the Mach-E yet but on my Kia EV6, I am very happy with the purchase. I do recognize how quieter they are. Good behavior with my racing lifestyle. Just need to watch one thing, on a highway at high speed, I maybe felt some vibration. Maybe the diamond brushed cement surface (need to find some good asphalt stretch), or, the lugs need to be tightened :devil::devil:
 

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I just pulled the trigger as well, got a flat on my 21 GT on the back tire at 40k miles.

Bought it from tire easy with a 13% cashback offer from cap 1.

Came out to 1029.22, installation and taxes included.
 

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I think you will be happy with them....but let us know what you think.
UPDATE: 3,000 miles in I am still very happy with my Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 Elect tires. I have had absolutely no issues on wet roads. But on a recent trip between Toledo and Dayton, I encountered light snow the whole trip. I-75 was mostly clear but some stretches were questionable and on those stretches, I could feel a little play in my steering wheel, but my Mach E still tracked straight and true and never gave me any indication that I might lose control. So, maybe it was my mind playing tricks on me.
Again, I still love and highly recommend these tires!
 

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Both tires are almost identical. Pirelli's Scorpion series are for trucks and SUV's because they have a slightly stiffer sidewall to handle heavier loads. That said they are not as sporty as the P Zero AS Plus 3. EITHER ONE will work just fine on the Mach-E and they will both be as quiet. The P Zero will be a bit more comfortable than the Scorpion.
I've had both. I did upsize the Scorpions to 265/40/20's. The PZeros are quieter and a touch softer. However the biggest complaint I had with the pzero's was the leakdown. For about the first couple months the tires would lose about 2 psi a week. No leaks, just all 4 would drop about 2 psi a week. (Iit wasn't environmental factors either as I'd been on vacation for 2 weeks several times and would just watch them lose pressure while it sat in the garage.) They also would heat up and gain a bunch of PSI as well. I could leave the garage in the morning and be at 36psi. 5 miles later in ~100 degrees they's be at 41psi. Later that day nearly 43. This was pretty much impossible to target a psi to keep the car riding the same. To low and you'd get a double bounce from the rear as the suspension wasn't rebounding as fast as the tire wanted. On the drive home I was on those concrete Roman tires. They had better road noise suppression though.

The Scorpions have no leak down I have noticed. They also seem to not warm up as much and increase PSI. This may well be due to having more actual air space in the tire than the 245's did. Out the door they had quite stiff sidewalls.

For a car style look I greatly preferred the 245's on my 9 inch rims. (think Tesla Model 3 stock wheels tires, with a little stretch on the sidewall as they're not wide enough)
For a SUV style I like the Scorpions in a wider tire. (For once my wheels have a touch of curb protection)
 

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Discount Tire is telling me the quiet noise cancel pirellis are discontinued. Is it possible to get those tires? I have summer Pirellis on my GTPE. If I can't get quiet then maybe Ill get OEM in All Season.
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