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Thanks Mark. Fortunately, the car's range is still completely adequate for my needs. My choice to go overkill and get the ER battery giving me a nice buffer. Still, I'm interest in how the Pirellis compare overall. Glad EV tires keep getting better.
And that is what I tell anyone that asks about the range hit on the CC2's, to not worry about it because it is minor and the tire is an awesome winter performer. The Pirelli's are HP all season EV tires while the CC2's are grand touring. This particular Pirelli is the one I've recommended for the last year or so and so many here have been very happy with them. As mentioned by a few above the steering can feel a bit numb compared to a more performance tire like the Michelin Pilot All Season 4 but overall the Pirelli does most things very well. It excels in a smooth, quiet ride and low rolling resistance.
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I have 4K+ on a set of the AS Plus ELECT and love them. And I drove straight from the install shop (Discount Tire) to an alignment shop and camber was out in the rear. So I would agree with previous posters that alignment is always a good idea.

This is what the AI universe says about the differences btwn the older and newer "3" model of this tire. Sounds like a subtle incremental improvement.

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The main difference between the Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 ELECT and the Pirelli P Zero AS Plus ELECT is the tread pattern and some performance characteristics. The P Zero AS Plus 3 is designed for a more general all-season experience, while the P Zero AS Plus is optimized for electric vehicles with a focus on low rolling resistance.

P Zero AS Plus 3:
  • Tread pattern: Offers a more balanced tread pattern for a variety of weather conditions, including snow and wet surfaces.

  • Performance: Provides a good balance of performance, handling, and comfort for everyday driving and some spirited performance.

  • Noise: Designed for a quieter ride, with a focus on reducing road noise.

  • Warranty: Comes with a 50,000-mile limited treadwear warranty, Pirelli.

  • Target: Designed for premium cars and driving enthusiasts who want high performance in various weather conditions.
P Zero AS Plus ELECT:
  • Tread pattern: Features a specific tread pattern optimized for electric vehicles, with a focus on low rolling resistance to improve range and reduce energy consumption.

  • Performance: Offers high performance in various weather conditions while maintaining a good balance of handling, braking, and ride comfort.

  • Rolling Resistance: Designed with a low rolling resistance for EVs, potentially improving range and reducing energy consumption.

  • Noise: Designed with a focus on reducing road noise in EVs, potentially making for a quieter ride.

  • Warranty: Likely comes with a similar 50,000-mile limited treadwear warranty.

  • Target: Specifically designed for high-performance electric vehicles, Pirelli.
Key Differences Summarized:
  • Tread Pattern:
    P Zero AS Plus 3 is more versatile, while P Zero AS Plus ELECT is specifically optimized for EVs.
  • Performance:
    P Zero AS Plus 3 balances performance with all-season versatility, while P Zero AS Plus ELECT prioritizes range and energy efficiency for EVs.
  • Rolling Resistance:
    P Zero AS Plus ELECT is designed for low rolling resistance, which helps extend EV range.
 

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I get an alignment on all my vehicles about a month after I purchase them. They are rarely within spec and sometimes way off.

This is my '24 just after I bought it and you can see the Toe was way out on the right front, and just barely out on the left rear. Camber was not bad but because I drive a lot of mountainous roads, I like a camber setting of about -1.5 on all corners so that is what I have them set it at.

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Thanks! So here’s what happened: as I’m changing from winter to summer, I noticed what seemed like a clear camber issue on both sides of the rear.

But instead of suspecting an alignment issue, I though that I need to go the optometrist to get my eyes checked.

Live and learn, I guess.
 

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And that is what I tell anyone that asks about the range hit on the CC2's, to not worry about it because it is minor and the tire is an awesome winter performer. The Pirelli's are HP all season EV tires while the CC2's are grand touring. This particular Pirelli is the one I've recommended for the last year or so and so many here have been very happy with them. As mentioned by a few above the steering can feel a bit numb compared to a more performance tire like the Michelin Pilot All Season 4 but overall the Pirelli does most things very well. It excels in a smooth, quiet ride and low rolling resistance.
Mark, so you think the P0 PZ4 summer feels a bit numb? I’ve never had this experience before, but once the tires were installed I could immediately feel it. Glad I’m not imagining things.
 

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I have 4K+ on a set of the AS Plus ELECT and love them. And I drove straight from the install shop (Discount Tire) to an alignment shop and camber was out in the rear. So I would agree with previous posters that alignment is always a good idea.

This is what the AI universe says about the differences btwn the older and newer "3" model of this tire. Sounds like a subtle incremental improvement.

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The main difference between the Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 ELECT and the Pirelli P Zero AS Plus ELECT is the tread pattern and some performance characteristics. The P Zero AS Plus 3 is designed for a more general all-season experience, while the P Zero AS Plus is optimized for electric vehicles with a focus on low rolling resistance.

P Zero AS Plus 3:
  • Tread pattern: Offers a more balanced tread pattern for a variety of weather conditions, including snow and wet surfaces.

  • Performance: Provides a good balance of performance, handling, and comfort for everyday driving and some spirited performance.

  • Noise: Designed for a quieter ride, with a focus on reducing road noise.

  • Warranty: Comes with a 50,000-mile limited treadwear warranty, Pirelli.

  • Target: Designed for premium cars and driving enthusiasts who want high performance in various weather conditions.
P Zero AS Plus ELECT:
  • Tread pattern: Features a specific tread pattern optimized for electric vehicles, with a focus on low rolling resistance to improve range and reduce energy consumption.

  • Performance: Offers high performance in various weather conditions while maintaining a good balance of handling, braking, and ride comfort.

  • Rolling Resistance: Designed with a low rolling resistance for EVs, potentially improving range and reducing energy consumption.

  • Noise: Designed with a focus on reducing road noise in EVs, potentially making for a quieter ride.

  • Warranty: Likely comes with a similar 50,000-mile limited treadwear warranty.

  • Target: Specifically designed for high-performance electric vehicles, Pirelli.
Key Differences Summarized:
  • Tread Pattern:
    P Zero AS Plus 3 is more versatile, while P Zero AS Plus ELECT is specifically optimized for EVs.
  • Performance:
    P Zero AS Plus 3 balances performance with all-season versatility, while P Zero AS Plus ELECT prioritizes range and energy efficiency for EVs.
  • Rolling Resistance:
    P Zero AS Plus ELECT is designed for low rolling resistance, which helps extend EV range.
One thing I want to add that some may not know.... The Pirelli "Plus" tires are made specifically for the North American market. They are not sold anywhere else (as far as I know). Pirelli stated that drivers in North America prefers tires that ride smoother and quieter so they made a line of "Plus" tires that have an edge on those two qualities.
 


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Mark, so you think the P0 PZ4 summer feels a bit numb? I’ve never had this experience before, but once the tires were installed I could immediately feel it. Glad I’m not imagining things.
I personally think most Pirelli tires are a bit numb in the steering but that is not high on my list of qualities for a tire. They do everything else very well. Can't have it all, that's for sure.
 

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Would you do it on a 6-month old vehicle?
Alignment has little to nothing to do with the age of the vehicle.
It only has something to do with the age of the vehicle as far as if it was aligned from the factory. Even so, that means little or nothing because a car could be aligned perfectly the day you buy it, but if the roads that you travel on are terrible, you hit potholes, run too fast over speed bumps, maybe hit the curb too fast going into your driveway, it can knock your car out of alignment.
I'm with @markboris . I'm pretty diligent about getting my cars aligned. I probably do it a bit more than I need to. One thing that helps it that the shop around the corner from where I live (Tires Plus) offers lifetime alignment deals all the time (usually about $160). All 4 of my cars have lifetime alignments (my car, wife's car, and the cars that our son's drive....not a car collector but I'd like to be ;) ). Every oil change (on the ICE cars) I have them check the alignment, and it's usually off to some degree.
 
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Would you do it on a 6-month old vehicle?
Yep!

Absolutely!

I wheel align around 100 vehicles a year so speak from experience and a position of some expertise.

Just 1 mile out the dealer, or even straight from the factory, the wheel alignment could be out of true.
 

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After two sets of OEM Pirelli P Zero tires on my 2022 GTPE, I'm holding out for Pirelli's new P Zero E tire with RunForward technology. The tire was introduced a couple of years ago on the European market but is not yet offered in the USA.

There still no word from Pirelli regarding when this tire will be available on the US market. When it does make its debut, it will probably be as an OEM tire for an EV sedan.

Still, one can always hope that Pirelli makes this tire available to us soon! Based on my experience with their performance tires so far, I'm ready to be a launch customer!
 

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After two sets of OEM Pirelli P Zero tires on my 2022 GTPE, I'm holding out for Pirelli's new P Zero E tire with RunForward technology. The tire was introduced a couple of years ago on the European market but is not yet offered in the USA.

There still no word from Pirelli regarding when this tire will be available on the US market. When it does make its debut, it will probably be as an OEM tire for an EV sedan.

Still, one can always hope that Pirelli makes this tire available to us soon! Based on my experience with their performance tires so far, I'm ready to be a launch customer!
You mean like a pilot? ?
 

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After two sets of OEM Pirelli P Zero tires on my 2022 GTPE, I'm holding out for Pirelli's new P Zero E tire with RunForward technology. The tire was introduced a couple of years ago on the European market but is not yet offered in the USA.

There still no word from Pirelli regarding when this tire will be available on the US market. When it does make its debut, it will probably be as an OEM tire for an EV sedan.

Still, one can always hope that Pirelli makes this tire available to us soon! Based on my experience with their performance tires so far, I'm ready to be a launch customer!
Doesn't appear to be an All Season tire..
 

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I was doing a little bit of research on these tires online, and the size seems to be very limited. 5 sizes listed on the Pirelli website. Is this just because it's new, and more sizes will be available soon? I need a 245/50/19 or a 255/50/19, and neither are listed.
 

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Hello.

A 2021 Premium AWD owner here. I'm thinking of getting Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 NCS Elect, in
245 50 19. I would appreciate any input and any strong opinions on the Pirellis vs Michelin Defender 2 and OEM size (225 55 19) vs the wider tires.

I'm looking for better cornering and a quieter ride.

Thanks in advance.
 

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After getting almost 60K miles out of my Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4 tires, I thought I'd try the newest PIrelli EV-specific ultra-high-performance all season tires, the P Zero AS Plus 3 ELECT. (I was going to try the P Zero All Season Plus ELECT, but they've apparently been discontinued and replaced with the AS Plus 3 ELECTs.)

After a 500-mile round trip journey from MD to NY and back, I can say they're fantastic, at least in the dry. No rain or cold to speak of yet, so can't compare their all-season-ness to the Michelins, but in terms of quieting, I was skeptical that small strips of foam lining the inside could make an appreciable difference. They definitely do! They are significantly quieter on all types of road surfaces. I'm curious to see how much louder they'll get as they break in and wear a little, but so far, so good!

The steering feel seems a tiny bit mushier, but not enough to detract from fun driving and, ahem, spirited lane changes. :)

Overall verdict so far: super happy!
Just checking up, I may have to get new tires and just wondering if your review still stands?
 
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Just checking up, I may have to get new tires and just wondering if your review still stands?
It does! Been through a few very wet days and it seems perfectly adequate there as well. Still quiet, and still just a little mushier in terms of steering sharpness than my Michelins. Still very happy overall!
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