Shopping for a Home Charger

jhalkias

Well-Known Member
First Name
John
Joined
Mar 3, 2020
Threads
123
Messages
2,491
Reaction score
5,039
Location
Ohio
Vehicles
'21 RR ME FE, '22 Corsair GT, '22 Lightning Lariat
Occupation
Benefit Fund Administrator
Country flag
But someone that drives 25,000 miles/yr should see significant savings, if they charge at home 99% of the time.
My 2016 Escape is 3 months away from 5 years old and has 151,000 on it. I drive about 500 miles a week just back and forth to work. Looking forward to saving on gas, and a more fun drive.
Sponsored

 

RyZt

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2019
Threads
24
Messages
747
Reaction score
880
Location
San Jose
Vehicles
Mach E4X
Country flag
And that's gonna be the case in most states as (in general) it's intended to be a counterpart to the gas tax (funding roads) that EVs don't pay.
That's fine as long as they actually tie what they charge with how many miles you drive, or charge you the average of what an efficient passenger cars (most efficient cars/SUVs that are not subject to the surcharge) pay in gas taxes per year. However, certain states seems to consider EV drivers the wealthy, and charge an unreasonable amount.
 
OP
OP
dbsb3233

dbsb3233

Well-Known Member
First Name
TimCO
Joined
Dec 30, 2019
Threads
56
Messages
10,100
Reaction score
11,965
Location
Colorado, USA
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach-E FE, 2025 Porche Macan Electric
Occupation
Retired
Country flag
That's fine as long as they actually tie what they charge with how many miles you drive, or charge you the average of what an efficient passenger cars (most efficient cars/SUVs that are not subject to the surcharge) pay in gas taxes per year. However, certain states seems to consider EV drivers the wealthy, and charge an unreasonable amount.
It is unfortunate that there's no good way to mimic the (approximate) road usage correlation that the gas tax has. But since that can't be don't with a fixed fee, the fair way to do it is match it to the average that the comparable weight ICE vehicle pays at average miles. (Same impact on road usage and wear and tear.)

That's just for the gas tax equivalent. Separate from that are the usual vehicle registration fees that all vehicles pay, which often have a sales price depreciation schedule basis (i.e. more expensive vehicles usual pay more).
 

zhackwyatt

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 18, 2019
Threads
14
Messages
1,617
Reaction score
2,635
Location
Arizona
Vehicles
'21 InfBlu Prem MMEx, '21 F150 PowerBoost Hybrid Past: '13 C-Max '98 Explorer
Country flag
It is unfortunate that there's no good way to mimic the (approximate) road usage correlation that the gas tax has. But since that can't be don't with a fixed fee, the fair way to do it is match it to the average that the comparable weight ICE vehicle pays at average miles. (Same impact on road usage and wear and tear.)

That's just for the gas tax equivalent. Separate from that are the usual vehicle registration fees that all vehicles pay, which often have a sales price depreciation schedule basis (i.e. more expensive vehicles usual pay more).
Wouldn't the fair way be tolls?
 

jhalkias

Well-Known Member
First Name
John
Joined
Mar 3, 2020
Threads
123
Messages
2,491
Reaction score
5,039
Location
Ohio
Vehicles
'21 RR ME FE, '22 Corsair GT, '22 Lightning Lariat
Occupation
Benefit Fund Administrator
Country flag
Just a quick note on Grizzl-E and customer service. Ordered mine on Sunday. Never got an email - saw the card was charged. While they do not list an email contact, they do have a phone number. Called, and got voicemail, so I hung up not wanting to leave a message.
30 seconds later, my phone rings, and I get a call back from them, asking if they could help me!
She has no idea why I didn't get the email, but she resent it, I got it, with tracking, and my Grizzl-E EVSE will be here tomorrow!
Excellent customer service!
 


DaveQ

Well-Known Member
First Name
Dave
Joined
Jul 6, 2020
Threads
21
Messages
363
Reaction score
494
Location
Fernandina Beach, FL
Vehicles
Mach-E4X, HR-V, Insight, Maserati Levante S
Country flag
Just a quick note on Grizzl-E and customer service. Ordered mine on Sunday. Never got an email - saw the card was charged. While they do not list an email contact, they do have a phone number. Called, and got voicemail, so I hung up not wanting to leave a message.
30 seconds later, my phone rings, and I get a call back from them, asking if they could help me!
She has no idea why I didn't get the email, but she resent it, I got it, with tracking, and my Grizzl-E EVSE will be here tomorrow!
Excellent customer service!
My Juicebox 40 will be here tomorrow as well! - Arrived!
 
Last edited:
OP
OP
dbsb3233

dbsb3233

Well-Known Member
First Name
TimCO
Joined
Dec 30, 2019
Threads
56
Messages
10,100
Reaction score
11,965
Location
Colorado, USA
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach-E FE, 2025 Porche Macan Electric
Occupation
Retired
Country flag
Wouldn't the fair way be tolls?
Yes, but tolls on all the main roads and highways would be a costly undertaking. And they have their own issues. Locals that frequent toll roads often have accounts and transponders, but visitors become a real problem.
 

methorian

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 18, 2019
Threads
18
Messages
1,558
Reaction score
2,437
Location
Roanoke, VA
Vehicles
2021 Mach-E First Edition, 2025 Kia EV6 GT-Line
Occupation
IT Admin
Country flag
I think it was questioned here whether the Ford Connected Charge Station had adjustable power levels. According to their (maybe updated) Mach-E site/Ford Connected Charge Station info page, it does indeed have adjustable power levels. Doesn't indicate if it's mechanically switched on the station, or software based.

Ford Mustang Mach-E Shopping for a Home Charger 1597920411737


At $799 MSRP though, I'll still be going with a Grizzl-E personally.
 

jhalkias

Well-Known Member
First Name
John
Joined
Mar 3, 2020
Threads
123
Messages
2,491
Reaction score
5,039
Location
Ohio
Vehicles
'21 RR ME FE, '22 Corsair GT, '22 Lightning Lariat
Occupation
Benefit Fund Administrator
Country flag
I think it was questioned here whether the Ford Connected Charge Station had adjustable power levels. According to their (maybe updated) Mach-E site/Ford Connected Charge Station info page, it does indeed have adjustable power levels. Doesn't indicate if it's mechanically switched on the station, or software based.

1597920411737.png


At $799 MSRP though, I'll still be going with a Grizzl-E personally.
Thanks for that. My Grizzl-E is arriving today. I wanted to get the Ford charger for the tighter integration, but got tired of waiting. And with double cost I just could not justify it. My only decision right now is the wiring, and if I should put a 50 amp breaker in the box that can handle the Grizzl-E at 40 amps, or do 60 amps (with heavier and more costly wire). There's also until the end of the month still $25 off the Grizzl-E by using the code INSIDEEVS7 (which basically can get you the 24 foot cable at $5 below the unit with the 18' cable).
Can't wait to get it installed and try it out on the Fusion Energi before the Mach E gets here.
 

MattG

Well-Known Member
First Name
Matt
Joined
Apr 23, 2020
Threads
8
Messages
207
Reaction score
370
Location
Colorado
Vehicles
Mach-E, Crosstrek, Lotus Elise, Jeep Wrangler LJ
Country flag
Doesn't indicate if it's mechanically switched on the station, or software based.

1597920411737.png
.
Well it does say it’s to ensure compatibility with your home electrical system. Considering the consequences of drawing too much current through a circuit, I don’t think any software-based limiter would be an acceptable safety device...it’d have to be hardware-based. Software is buggy.
 

JamieGeek

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2019
Threads
82
Messages
3,589
Reaction score
6,823
Location
Southeastern Michigan
Website
spareelectrons.wordpress.com
Vehicles
Escape PHEV, old: Mach-E, Bolt, C-Max Energi, Focus Electric
Country flag
Well it does say it’s to ensure compatibility with your home electrical system. Considering the consequences of drawing too much current through a circuit, I don’t think any software-based limiter would be an acceptable safety device...it’d have to be hardware-based. Software is buggy.
My Juicebox can go to a much higher current than the breakers its connected to (almost double). I've had it set for the appropriate level in software and never have the breakers tripped ( :thunk:...what was that noise??)
 

DaveQ

Well-Known Member
First Name
Dave
Joined
Jul 6, 2020
Threads
21
Messages
363
Reaction score
494
Location
Fernandina Beach, FL
Vehicles
Mach-E4X, HR-V, Insight, Maserati Levante S
Country flag
OP
OP
dbsb3233

dbsb3233

Well-Known Member
First Name
TimCO
Joined
Dec 30, 2019
Threads
56
Messages
10,100
Reaction score
11,965
Location
Colorado, USA
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach-E FE, 2025 Porche Macan Electric
Occupation
Retired
Country flag
My Juicebox can go to a much higher current than the breakers its connected to (almost double). I've had it set for the appropriate level in software and never have the breakers tripped ( :thunk:...what was that noise??)
Setting the device to draw less that the circuit allows would never be a problem. That's like plugging a 60w light bulb in instead of 100w... it just draws less.

It's the other direction that I still have a hard time with. I don't know how a charger can detect that the wiring and breaker is only rated for 40A instead of 50A or 60A?

There's only one backhanded way I can think of... that there's a setup cycle that does test draws of increasing wattage until it trips the breaker. And then remembers how far NOT to go (after you reset the house panel breaker and turn the unit back on).
 

JamieGeek

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2019
Threads
82
Messages
3,589
Reaction score
6,823
Location
Southeastern Michigan
Website
spareelectrons.wordpress.com
Vehicles
Escape PHEV, old: Mach-E, Bolt, C-Max Energi, Focus Electric
Country flag
Setting the device to draw less that the circuit allows would never be a problem. That's like plugging a 60w light bulb in instead of 100w... it just draws less.

It's the other direction that I still have a hard time with. I don't know how a charger can detect that the wiring and breaker is only rated for 40A instead of 50A or 60A?

There's only one backhanded way I can think of... that there's a setup cycle that does test draws of increasing wattage until it trips the breaker. And then remembers how far NOT to go (after you reset the house panel breaker and turn the unit back on).
The Juicebox I have doesn't detect any current: It has a remote and you can increase/decrease the amount of current that it indicates to the car (I think its in 2 amp steps--been a few years since I've adjusted it). It stores the value in non-volitale memory so that it survives power cycles.

If I wanted to I could tell it to report 40 amps to the car and the car would happily start charging at 40 amps..my wiring/breakers aren't setup for 40 amps and thus the breakers would trip (hopefully before anything happens to the wiring since that is their function).

My SPX/Bosch EVSE is also adjustable but not via software: It has some DIP switches for 4 different current levels that it can be set to.

Here is the display on the JuiceBox:
Ford Mustang Mach-E Shopping for a Home Charger evse4


Note that it is set for 27 amps: pressing A on the remote increases the current and pressing D on the remote reduces the current. (It was charging my Focus Electric at the time I took the picture.)
Sponsored

 
Last edited:
 







Top