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as soon as this update comes out I'm flooring it everywhere on unbridled mode, long road trips through hilly backroads.
"Sorry, officer. Just part of my car's recall."

Also damn, @scoopman. So sorry this keeps happening to you. Thank you for documenting everything for us!
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As my occupation shows, I am their junction box software tester apparently.
From your 1st pic, it looks like you left one pedal drive on, even tho in Whisper mode. I probably would have turned that off...
 

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There's no reason you need the update for that. Just make sure that after you take that "trip" you stop where you can be easily towed. Maybe even just drive to a dealer, turn it off and see if it comes back on.
I've already spent half a day waiting for a tow truck, getting it towed, driving back to drop off the key fob from the dead 12v and bad BECM. After that much hassle a software update like this makes triggering the problem a lot more enjoyable or at least as enjoyable as it can be. Of course if the 1% to .5% failure rate is correct then maybe I'll never see it and just have a lot of super fun drives. If they lied though then let's just hope I trigger it before the warranty expires...or since it's a recall I guess warranty expiring or not I'd still get the new part replaced free of charge if it fails after 8 years or 100k miles or whatever it is the extended warranty covers (yes I was one of those buyers)?
 


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Question related to a possible failure:
Can you DCFC without turning the car off? I have only fast charged twice in my 6ish weeks of ownership and didn’t try that.
Here’s where I am going. Let’s say I take the car on a road trip in a couple weeks and get the dreaded error message, could I roll the dice and continue to my final destination fast charging once or twice along the way? At least I would be at my destination for the day rather than some random town.

I have a 18 hour drive to the beach planned on two weeks. Was planning to EV it but having doubts.
 

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Question related to a possible failure:
Can you DCFC without turning the car off? I have only fast charged twice in my 6ish weeks of ownership and didn’t try that.
Here’s where I am going. Let’s say I take the car on a road trip in a couple weeks and get the dreaded error message, could I roll the dice and continue to my final destination fast charging once or twice along the way? At least I would be at my destination for the day rather than some random town.

I have a 18 hour drive to the beach planned on two weeks. Was planning to EV it but having doubts.
Considering that the car is severely limiting the power output when this happens, I assume even if it will let you DCFC, it will be at a reduced rate. If this warning is in fact a warning of impending catastrophic failure of the HVBJB, I wouldn't want to DCFC on it at all anyway since that seems like it would likely trigger the full failure.
 

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GO ICE please -- put it this way, I'm going to be driving a crappy ICE rental car now while my MME is at a taco-stand-looking Ford dealer in a distant city.
I'm so sorry to hear about this happening to you multiple times now @scoopman. I'm glad to hear you and your fam are doing well. Thank you for sharing these details to keep other MME owners aware of these issues.

I have a trip planned to Joshua Tree on the 4th and I'm a little scared to drive my SR RWD. This will be my longest drive since I got my car almost a year ago. Not sure if my anxious personality can handle it. Although from what I've read so far both in this thread as well as by asking around in this forum, my MME's configuration is less likely to experience this issue... I will try to get the software update tomorrow (I mean in a few hours lol). I understand that's not a fix per se but I'll take the help I can get to avoid getting bricked on I5, or even worse, at some garage.

If my anxiety gets the best of me, I'll have to figure out a rental car situation... and figure out how to drive an ICE again ?
 
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From your 1st pic, it looks like you left one pedal drive on, even tho in Whisper mode. I probably would have turned that off...
it is an interesting question if lowering any regen as much as possible might reduce thermal and electrical loads. I might do this when descending in the future. Does anyone have facts on whether turning off 1pd might reduce any levels of regen on a steep descent?
 
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I've already spent half a day waiting for a tow truck, getting it towed, driving back to drop off the key fob from the dead 12v and bad BECM. After that much hassle a software update like this makes triggering the problem a lot more enjoyable or at least as enjoyable as it can be. Of course if the 1% to .5% failure rate is correct then maybe I'll never see it and just have a lot of super fun drives. If they lied though then let's just hope I trigger it before the warranty expires...or since it's a recall I guess warranty expiring or not I'd still get the new part replaced free of charge if it fails after 8 years or 100k miles or whatever it is the extended warranty covers (yes I was one of those buyers)?
i believe this component is part of the powertrain warranty on he MachE which is 8/80k without any additional warranty purchases
 
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Question related to a possible failure:
Can you DCFC without turning the car off? I have only fast charged twice in my 6ish weeks of ownership and didn’t try that.
Here’s where I am going. Let’s say I take the car on a road trip in a couple weeks and get the dreaded error message, could I roll the dice and continue to my final destination fast charging once or twice along the way? At least I would be at my destination for the day rather than some random town.

I have a 18 hour drive to the beach planned on two weeks. Was planning to EV it but having doubts.
you can totally do that but it will use more energy to run car systems and so the Hvb will charge slower. Not sure this matters at all wrt thermal and electrical contactor loads but if you do have a stuck on condition already this might be the more safe course of action.
 
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I'm so sorry to hear about this happening to you multiple times now @scoopman. I'm glad to hear you and your fam are doing well. Thank you for sharing these details to keep other MME owners aware of these issues.

I have a trip planned to Joshua Tree on the 4th and I'm a little scared to drive my SR RWD. This will be my longest drive since I got my car almost a year ago. Not sure if my anxious personality can handle it. Although from what I've read so far both in this thread as well as by asking around in this forum, my MME's configuration is less likely to experience this issue... I will try to get the software update tomorrow (I mean in a few hours lol). I understand that's not a fix per se but I'll take the help I can get to avoid getting bricked on I5, or even worse, at some garage.

If my anxiety gets the best of me, I'll have to figure out a rental car situation... and figure out how to drive an ICE again ?
I’ve driven all over Palm Springs area in our ID.4 and that is a hard core drive from Bay Area all the way to Joshua tree especially without any of the software recall protections and warnings, as minimal as they are. I wouldn’t touch doing that drive with what I know about how underspec the partreally is.

Moreover I would not consider Joshua tree to be friendly for non Teslas at all at this time. Electrify America has its closest station far away and there is only ahem a supercharger at the west entrance where most folks want to enter that park. There is a 50kw infra at the south entrance but it is unreliable and slow and critical to make it there and back to tell the tale.

Joshua tree has temperatures well over 100 and it is super remote without cell signal.

I would really reconsider a plan to drive any MME from the Bay Area through the same terrain as me and then an additional 6 hours to the 120 degree desert.

btw the ID.4 handled this drive and the heat including multiple DCFC like a champ. Slower but reliable might win the race in this situation.
 

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I’ve driven all over Palm Springs area in our ID.4 and that is a hard core drive from Bay Area all the way to Joshua tree especially without any of the software recall protections and warnings, as minimal as they are. I wouldn’t touch doing that drive with what I know about how underspec the partreally is.

btw the ID.4 handled this drive and the heat including multiple DCFC like a champ. Slower but reliable might win the race in this situation.
FYI There have been just as many reported problems with the ID.4 (mainly battery coolant pump) as the Mach-E's HV junction box. Sorry to hear you are having issues with the MME but it doesn't mean the ID.4 is perfect.

https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/my-turn-for-electrical-system-failure.3693/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/pro-s-battery-coolant-pump-failure-after-1300-miles.3017/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/warning-light-on-the-dash.2993/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/service-light-6-weeks-from-delivery-coolant-pump-failure.3121/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/electrical-drive-system-fault-on-day-3.1324/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/faulty-coolant-pump-cases-with-the-id-4.3154/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/my-id-4-w-1601miles-just-failed.2876/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/mechanical-issues.1654/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/coolant-pump-error-without-error-message.3891/
https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/electric-drive-not-working-correctly.3879/
 

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I've already spent half a day waiting for a tow truck, getting it towed, driving back to drop off the key fob from the dead 12v and bad BECM. After that much hassle a software update like this makes triggering the problem a lot more enjoyable or at least as enjoyable as it can be. Of course if the 1% to .5% failure rate is correct then maybe I'll never see it and just have a lot of super fun drives. If they lied though then let's just hope I trigger it before the warranty expires...or since it's a recall I guess warranty expiring or not I'd still get the new part replaced free of charge if it fails after 8 years or 100k miles or whatever it is the extended warranty covers (yes I was one of those buyers)?
The HVBJB isn’t part of the recall. The recall is software.. 8y/100k is pretty much what we get on the HVBJB unless the physical HVBJB gets recalled. ??
 

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As my occupation shows, I am their junction box software tester apparently.
Real bummer to hear for you, yours and everyone here. Hope they do not start failing with great speed or many maybe sitting for months waiting for parts. No worries misery loves company ;). Looking like it is not fixed.

Can you go into a bit more depth about limp mode.

Does it just hit a brick wall and die? How?
How fast could you get it up to in this mode?

Could you pull out to pass and get half way by and bang you get hit with some sort of limp mode?

Had that once a tranny blew not safe.
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