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So after 3 months of looking at my KW Coilover kit sitting there in its box, I finally bolted them up onto my Mach E today.

Many thanks to Connoisseur for the thorough OP write-up which greatly helped in organizing the prep and the job.

Although I have done similar upgrades on (at least) three other cars in the past, the Mach E taught me some new tricks. In my prior coilover swapouts the fronts were the hard part and the rears, a fairly easy part. On my Mach E, it was the reverse.

Suggestion, learned the hard way haha: apply anti-seize to the main shock / shock seat threads as the KW shocks just come out of the shipping box, before assembling and torquing the KW assemblies together. Guess how I know :rolleyes:

Connoisseur also deserves credit for suggesting a new spare set of tophats (thank you FordPass points :cool:) for the front KW coilovers. Since my Mach E is still pretty new, I figured there's no harm in keeping the still viable OEM assemblies, still assembled, out in the shed. In my previous coilover jobs the OEM shocks were all toast and not worth keeping, so getting spare tophats for the front had not occurred to me. This one suggestion made the front assembly swap pretty easy because I didn't have to mess with de-compressing and re-compressing the front springs.

For DIYers with access to a car lift, a neat way to get the front OEM coilover assembly out is to lower the car-on-lift enough to loosen all three tophat bolts from the top, then raise the car-on-lift and unbolt the bottom stuff: two knuckle (spline) bolts, the top endlink bolt, the teeny brake bracket bolt, and pull off the electrical signal line, and then lower the car-on-lift again, enough to lean over the remaining tophat bolt on the top. Then, roll a floor jack with padding (cardboard etc.) under the brake disc and gently lift the floor jack arm enough to support the wheel hub... then unbolt the remaining tophat bolt and you can lower the whole wheel hub slowly enough to slip the coilover assembly out, without straining the brake line at all. Follow these steps again for the KW assembly - the tophat center nut can be a good guide that you can reach and move with your fingers while you're cranking the floor jack up, and a thin Phillips screwdriver will center the tophat's three threaded holes for their bolts. This trick let me do the job without helpers.

The hardest part about swapping out the rear sets was lining up the big bolts with the holes on the lower control arm, both during disassembly and during assembly. The Mach E's rear lower control arms noticeably twist about their axis when the bolt (coming or going) is only in on one side, and that creates problems in lining everything up. I finally resorted to a pipe wrench with its arm end supported (pushed up) by a transmission jack while the car was up on the lift. The pipe wrench grabbed onto the wide upper flanges on the lower control arm, inducing (or rather, counter-balancing) rotational torsion forces in it, and that did the trick.

I also found that the rear right spring's rubber bottom seat was actually rotated about 160 degrees... obviously a factory assembly mistake. Its high rubber side flange, which is supposed to point to the electric motor (let's say 9 o'clock), was pointed toward the rear mudflap at about 5 o'clock and the OEM spring had made a non-standard indentation in the rubber seat. Once properly positioned, the rubber seat now works just fine with the KW spring.

After 90+ miles on different roads afterwards, I like the result so far, despite the salty price. The front-to-rear pogoing, greatly diminished with Steeda sway bars, is now gone. Road feel is more precise. So far the ride feels both a bit firmer and a bit more comfortable.

I recommend this mod.
So it's been several days now... I put the car back up on the lift to do some final adjustments.

My earlier observation about the front being SO MUCH EASIER than the rear is again confirmed... I noted a discrepancy in rear spring compression as measured at the compression ring at the top of the rear springs, and I wanted to final-tune and balance the height of the car before a long trip this week. To truly adjust these rear spring compression rates, I found it necessary to (again) drop the rear knuckle bolt and the rear shock bottom bolt grrr. Although technically it is "possible" to slowly turn the purple compression ring on the thread, its twin brother the top black threaded sleeve ring will spin with it. I think it is because of the force the huge KW spring exerts on the top threaded compression assembly, despite prior liberal use of anti-seize compound. Unfortunately it was impossible to reliably and continually grab the top (black) threaded sleeve ring and hold it in place, even with oversized channellock pliers, because the car body's downward flange on either side just makes it an enormous PITA. The shock body right in front also doesn't help with using the channellocks. Once I dropped both bolts and slowly lowered the lowered control arm, the task became "common-sense possible". Of course, this = x2 sides.

In contrast, the compression ring on the front shocks is easily adjustable without any component disassembly.

A perhaps silly knowledge point: the grub set screws in the front shock spring compression rings are lockable by the same purple button tool that adjusts damping on the top of the four shocks. No need to hunt thru the toolbox for a tiny-size metric Allen wrench like I did, and then proceeded to drop and lose haha. It was a long assembly day I guess.

Another lesson learned: with the KW coilovers installed (this might be dependent on the individual Mach E's suspension height settings, although I doubt it) the car's battery, which as we all know protrudes below the frame rails, prevents the front lift arms from swinging forward under the Tesla puck lift points because the battery cage blocks the lift arms by about 1/4 inch of height. At first (the previous lift day) I jacked the car mid-point on that side to get the lift's front arm out of the way when I took the car off. Yesterday during final adjustments I found that if I 1st swung the front lift arms ALL THE WAY forward and pivoted their lift "hands" to the outside, I had 2 inches per side to drive the MAch E between them, avoiding jacking each side up. However, it took about six positioning tries to get the car perfectly lined up for the lift arms to engage properly. Not difficult, just a time suck. Now I know, for future lift days.

Finally, for other KW purchasers: the instructions assure that "all KW dial settings are factory-set prior to shipping" or some such verbiage. I never messed with / checked the eight dial settings (2 per shock) after reading this. Well, whether by handling before they got to me, or just by Bad Karma, one rebound setting on a rear shock was three clicks off, and one damping setting on a front shock was in between two settings... so I recommend to "trust but verify" all eight dial settings as you begin the install of your KW set.

Lastly, on hard cornering at speed I noticed some rubbing of the inside tire sidewalls against both front shock bodies, below their machined threads thank God... it starts at 31 mph on the right side and at about 54 mph on the left side. I emphasize "on hard cornering" ;-) . This tells me my camber is now too negative, and unequally so. Yes, I eye-calibrated and tried to replicate the front camber with a level and pics, but.... Oh well, it's wheel alignment day for me at the dealership tomorrow, as no indy shop here has the Mach E alignment specs in their systems yet.

Hope my experience is useful for other DIYers.
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@21st Century Pony if Ford can’t dial in your alignment settings properly, Mach V Motorsports in Sterling, VA will do a custom alignment that is spot on.
 

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@21st Century Pony if Ford can’t dial in your alignment settings properly, Mach V Motorsports in Sterling, VA will do a custom alignment that is spot on.
Connor I thought of you when I saw the rubbing... let's see what the local dealer can do as it's a good 600+ miles from here (Louisville) to there. However, I'll be back there this week for a bit, so...
 
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Connor I thought of you when I saw the rubbing... let's see what the local dealer can do as it's a good 600+ miles from here (Louisville) to there. However, I'll be back there this week for a bit, so...
Oh wow! I though you were still near DC, ha!
 

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Hi all,

I just wanted to share my experience with KW V3 and see if anyone here has any suggestions.

- I have 2022 GT with stock tires and rims.
- I went to an authorized KW dealer to install the kit. I asked them to lower the car by 0.5" and adjust the default setting to make the ride "softer". They adjust it to:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #1912811

- I drove the car for 3 weeks and the car still felt bouncy.
- I came back to the shop and asked them to make another adjustment to make the setting even more "softer". They adjust it to:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #211121112

- I drove the car for another 3-4 weeks. I didn't feel any difference.
- I went back to the shop for the 3rd time and asked them to reset the setting to the factory:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #37968
- I drove the car for another 2-3 week. The car feels more like the stock now. Compared to the setting #1 and #2, it is more bouncy by like 15%.
- I called KW support in US. They are not really helpful saying "it's your preference, adjust it as you like".

I am very frustrated from the KW V3 kit at this point. My goal was not to get the "Lexus" driving experience. I just wanted not to feel every bump like it feels on the stock kit.

Any suggestions on a different setting for GT? Or anything else that can help to make the ride better (e.g. sway bars, tires pressure adjustment, etc.)
 
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Hi all,

I just wanted to share my experience with KW V3 and see if anyone here has any suggestions.

- I have 2022 GT with stock tires and rims.
- I went to an authorized KW dealer to install the kit. I asked them to lower the car by 0.5" and adjust the default setting to make the ride "softer". They adjust it to:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #1912811

- I drove the car for 3 weeks and the car still felt bouncy.
- I came back to the shop and asked them to make another adjustment to make the setting even more "softer". They adjust it to:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #211121112

- I drove the car for another 3-4 weeks. I didn't feel any difference.
- I went back to the shop for the 3rd time and asked them to reset the setting to the factory:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #39968
- I drove the car for another 2-3 week. The car feels more like the stock now. Compared to the setting #1 and #2, it is more bouncy by like 15%.
- I called KW support in US. They are not really helpful saying "it's your preference, adjust it as you like".

I am very frustrated from the KW V3 kit at this point. My goal was not to get the "Lexus" driving experience. I just wanted not to feel every bump like it feels on the stock kit.

Any suggestions on a different setting for GT? Or anything else that can help to make the ride better (e.g. sway bars, tires pressure adjustment, etc.)
Well, that is super discouraging. You are the first to report results on a GT that I have seen, and I was really hoping it would help. I heard the suspension takes a while to settle, so maybe you should try again in a month or two?

I highly recommend the Steeda front and rear sway bars, because they significantly improve stability. The ride is smoother with them on, but the straight line bounce is the same. They are inexpensive compared with coilovers, so it might be worth a shot. Maybe the combo will be the ticket.
 

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Well, that is super discouraging. You are the first to report results on a GT that I have seen, and I was really hoping it would help. I heard the suspension takes a while to settle, so maybe you should try again in a month or two?

I highly recommend the Steeda front and rear sway bars, because they significantly improve stability. The ride is smoother with them on, but the straight line bounce is the same. They are inexpensive compared with coilovers, so it might be worth a shot. Maybe the combo will be the ticket.
I am very determined to make the car ride better than stock. I ordered Steeda front and rear sway bars. I plan to install them in the same shop (as I don't have tools/setup at home). I plan to adjust the KW V3 setting again. My frustration is coming from lack of KW support and documentation. It's very unclear in their setup manual how the bump setting interact with the rebound. I totally understand what bump and rebound do, but I don't understand how to adjust them for the GT.
Quote:
"Little rebound power improves driving comfort during slow driving, but reduce stability and control accuracy while fast driving, especially with appropriate adjustment".
- What kind of sentence is it?

Quote:
"High rebound power improve the handling at the front axle, but possibly reduct the grip. The driving comfort will be extremely limited."

==> So, if I want more comfortable drive should I keep the rebound setting low and increase the bump?
==> I read in some thread that KW recommended to keep "2 numbers" difference between bump and rebound.
==> So reading their manual and what KW recommended, it just contradicts itself.

Mechanics of cars is not my expertise, but I can read and understand when things make sense :)
 

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Quote:
"Little rebound power improves driving comfort during slow driving, but reduce stability and control accuracy while fast driving, especially with appropriate adjustment".
- What kind of sentence is it?
In my experience, a statement that is clear in one language can become muddy when inartfully translated into another language.

There is a whole field of professional translators-on-the-fly who support international (or bi-national) arms control treaty inspections. Not me, but I've been exposed... believe it or not, English is one of the more muddy languages, and by contrast Russian and French are much clearer in such usage.

KW instructions are of course translated from German, and likely the translation was a "good enough" effort on KW's part.
 
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In my experience, a statement that is clear in one language can become muddy when inartfully translated into another language.

There is a whole field of professional translators-on-the-fly that support international (or bi-national) arms control treaty inspections. Not me, but I've been exposed... believe it or not, English is one of the more muddy languages, and by contrast Russian and French are much clearer in such usage.

KW instructions are of course translated from German, and likely the translation was a "good enough" effort on KW's part.
I get it, I speak 3 languages. It's not about translation, it's about KW customer support. I called them but their support in US is just a sales person who is not technical and cannot explain anything. It's not like Steeda where you get real answers. Maybe I need to find someone who speaks German and call their support in Germany.
 

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Hi all,

I just wanted to share my experience with KW V3 and see if anyone here has any suggestions.

- I have 2022 GT with stock tires and rims.
- I went to an authorized KW dealer to install the kit. I asked them to lower the car by 0.5" and adjust the default setting to make the ride "softer". They adjust it to:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #1912811

- I drove the car for 3 weeks and the car still felt bouncy.
- I came back to the shop and asked them to make another adjustment to make the setting even more "softer". They adjust it to:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #211121112

- I drove the car for another 3-4 weeks. I didn't feel any difference.
- I went back to the shop for the 3rd time and asked them to reset the setting to the factory:

SettingFront Compression/
Bump
Front ReboundRear Compression/
Bump
Rear Rebound
KW 'Factory' Setting7968
Adjusted Setting #39968
- I drove the car for another 2-3 week. The car feels more like the stock now. Compared to the setting #1 and #2, it is more bouncy by like 15%.
- I called KW support in US. They are not really helpful saying "it's your preference, adjust it as you like".

I am very frustrated from the KW V3 kit at this point. My goal was not to get the "Lexus" driving experience. I just wanted not to feel every bump like it feels on the stock kit.

Any suggestions on a different setting for GT? Or anything else that can help to make the ride better (e.g. sway bars, tires pressure adjustment, etc.)
You might also consider adjusting the spring compression all around, via the compression rings on the shocks. It'll alter the height (up OR down). The degrees of spring compression are a primary force that induces more "bounce" energy or less "bounce" energy and the rebound and damping valves then manage the resulting effects.

KW instructions strongly advise to not go below "minimum B dimension" i.e. about 15.2 inches from wheel center to the top fender center, all around. That translates, as I read it, to not compress the springs (and let the car settle) below that B dimension. KW does not set an upper limit for the B dimension, but common sense would not want a spring so uncompressed that it would lose contact with its top or bottom seat, right? Does that make sense to others here?
 

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I get it, I speak 3 languages. It's not about translation, it's about KW customer support. I called them but their support in US is just a sales person who is not technical and cannot explain anything. It's not like Steeda where you get real answers. Maybe I need to find someone who speaks German and call their support in Germany.
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here is a German who lives there. He's been very helpful to me this year.
 

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I get it, I speak 3 languages. It's not about translation, it's about KW customer support. I called them but their support in US is just a sales person who is not technical and cannot explain anything. It's not like Steeda where you get real answers. Maybe I need to find someone who speaks German and call their support in Germany.
Two big things to keep in mind with the Steeda front sway bar:
1. You need to cut off the third hole to keep the end of the bar from hitting the suspension.
2. The end links need to be lubed. Make sure you lube them before or immediately after installation.

The bar has additional interference in non-GT models that can be easily remedied, but you have a GT so nothing to worry about there.

I still highly recommend these bars even with the issues we found listed above. The car handles so much better it is transformative.
 

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You might also consider adjusting the spring compression all around, via the compression rings on the shocks. It'll alter the height (up OR down). The degrees of spring compression are a primary force that induces more "bounce" energy or less "bounce" energy and the rebound and damping valves then manage the resulting effects.

KW instructions strongly advise to not go below "minimum B dimension" i.e. about 15.2 inches from wheel center to the top fender center, all around. That translates, as I read it, to not compress the springs (and let the car settle) below that B dimension. KW does not set an upper limit for the B dimension, but common sense would not want a spring so uncompressed that it would lose contact with its top or bottom seat, right? Does that make sense to others here?
I asked similar question in the shop. They told me as long as you lower it based on their range (up to 1.5") it should not impact the spring compression.
 

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Two big things to keep in mind with the Steeda front sway bar:
1. You need to cut off the third hole to keep the end of the bar from hitting the suspension.
2. The end links need to be lubed. Make sure you lube them before or immediately after installation.

The bar has additional interference in non-GT models that can be easily remedied, but you have a GT so nothing to worry about there.

I still highly recommend these bars even with the issues we found listed above. The car handles so much better it is transformative.
Sorry, but can you please clarify:
- For GT, I still need to do #1 and #2?
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