What do you think is the chance of 150k+ miles?

[BigMach-E]

I’m intending to keep this car going for a while. I know someone here has reached 60k with the MME, with no major problems. At this point, the options that are coming out in the somewhat near future aren’t particularly compelling to me. I understand about battery degradation, so I know at 100k miles I can expect rather significantly lower range, but I might be able to live with 140~ range for almost all my driving. Anyone have some reason why or why not the life of the car could be north of 150k miles?

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[Atxsw]

I think ford has been conservative on the charging curve, and given the fact you are putting a lot of miles on per year I don't see why it wouldnt get over 150k miles (looks like you are doing about 30k a year so that would only be 3 more years).


One thing you might want to consider is buying the extended warranty which covers everything else but the battery (I suspect the battery is probably the least likely thing to go out completely).

 

[RickMachE]

I’m intending to keep this car going for a while. I know someone here has reached 60k with the MME, with no major problems. At this point, the options that are coming out in the somewhat near future aren’t particularly compelling to me. I understand about battery degradation, so I know at 100k miles I can expect rather significantly lower range, but I might be able to live with 140~ range for almost all my driving. Anyone have some reason why or why not the life of the car could be north of 150k miles?

That bolded statement is simply not true. Ford guarantees that for 8 years / 100,000 miles, you will have at least 70% capacity. They have reserved some capacity they could release as you approach that point. I wouldn't have any expectation at 100,000 miles of rather significantly lower range. I would call it slightly lower range.

If you take care of the car, 150,000 is doable, unless it takes you 15 years to get there. We have no idea of the compatibility of the car with future systems, charging, etc.

I personally believe that in the next 5 - 10 years, this vehicle will be so outdated most people won't want it.

 

[BigMach-E]

I think ford has been conservative on the charging curve, and given the fact you are putting a lot of miles on per year I don't see why it wouldnt get over 150k miles (looks like you are doing about 30k a year so that would only be 3 more years).


One thing you might want to consider is buying the extended warranty which covers everything else but the battery (I suspect the battery is probably the least likely thing to go out completely).

Oh, it’s not me who has 60k on the odometer, I’ve got about 23k over a year and a half. Pretty average. I also have the ESP.

 

[Blue highway]

Depends how you treat the battery. From a battery life standpoint, 300K miles is achievable from a charge cycle perspective. The top and bottom buffers are your friend.

It's also possible to "kill" the battery in 100K miles (only DCFC, discharge to single digits, regularly leave the car in temps >100 degrees F).

Lots of techie posts on this

 

[Blue highway]

That bolded statement is simply not true. Ford guarantees that for 8 years / 100,000 miles, you will have at least 70% capacity. They have reserved some capacity they could release as you approach that point. I wouldn't have any expectation at 100,000 miles of rather significantly lower range. I would call it slightly lower range.

If you take care of the car, 150,000 is doable, unless it takes you 15 years to get there. We have no idea of the compatibility of the car with future systems, charging, etc.

I personally believe that in the next 5 - 10 years, this vehicle will be so outdated most people won't want it.

Agree - the biggest threat to the long term value of the car is the stale tech. 10 years is an eternity in UI and driver assist. I expect the batteries and general mechanics of the car to be fine.

 

[BigMach-E]

That bolded statement is simply not true. Ford guarantees that for 8 years / 100,000 miles, you will have at least 70% capacity. They have reserved some capacity they could release as you approach that point. I wouldn't have any expectation at 100,000 miles of rather significantly lower range. I would call it slightly lower range.

If you take care of the car, 150,000 is doable, unless it takes you 15 years to get there. We have no idea of the compatibility of the car with future systems, charging, etc.

I personally believe that in the next 5 - 10 years, this vehicle will be so outdated most people won't want it.

A 30 percent reduction in range is significant, in my book. I know that 5+ years from now the car will likely only have retail value of scrap/battery, but I hope it will still be a functional method of transportation.

 

[buzznwood]

There is always going to be people that will suffer some serious battery degradation but for most owners in average use the at 150k your probably still going have around 85% battery. Early model owners will be dealing with the inevitable HVBJB failure long before they will have to worry about battery issues IMO

 

[Polar]

High

I fully believe the chance is high.

The outliers are going to get the headlines. Those with 85-90% capacity after the 8yr/100k will not be talked about in any volume.

Drove a CPO 2012 Leaf for 10 years myself - I had a failed battery in 2016, it was an Arizona car the battery was baked. It was replaced and in the last 6 years of ownership it lost 5% of capacity while being charged to 100% damn near every night with about 50k miles driven, location PNW.

 

[d^2x/dt^2]

Living in the midwest, my biggest concern is good old fashioned rust in that sort of time frame. Especially as I hear about the MME retaining water underneath.

 

[Logal727]

Agree - the biggest threat to the long term value of the car is the stale tech. 10 years is an eternity in UI and driver assist. I expect the batteries and general mechanics of the car to be fine.

Seems comparable to ICE vehicles nowadays too

 

[Logal727]

A 30 percent reduction in range is significant, in my book. I know that 5+ years from now the car will likely only have retail value of scrap/battery, but I hope it will still be a functional method of transportation.

30 percent is for the warranty, Ford set it like that so they wouldn’t have to pay it out, so even they expect it to retain much more than 70%.

 

[JSeis]

I’ve had various vehicles that went 165K to 225K and those that crapped sooner or went the distance.. issues were dominated by failures: engine (power system), brakes, transmission, and rare wheel bearing failure. Given the MME’s lack of an ICE (power system), a 1-speed transmission, regenerative braking .. I expect a wheel bearing/half-shaft to be the one possible failure point say in 200K miles. The list of ICE failure points is long and notorious but always heat/vibration/fuel/spark etc. related. Never had a mechanical transmission fail though.

The MME could make 150-200K with only brakes & 3-4 sets of tires/annual wipers needed.

 

[DennisD]

I’ve had various vehicles that went 165K to 225K and those that crapped sooner or went the distance.. issues were dominated by failures: engine (power system), brakes, transmission, and rare wheel bearing failure. Given the MME’s lack of an ICE (power system), a 1-speed transmission, regenerative braking .. I expect a wheel bearing/half-shaft to be the one possible failure point say in 200K miles. The list of ICE failure points is long and notorious but always heat/vibration/fuel/spark etc. related. Never had a mechanical transmission fail though.

The MME could make 150-200K with only brakes & 3-4 sets of tires/annual wipers needed.

Totally agree. I have had hybrid vehicles since the early 2000's and have had very few issues related to the battery.

Someone was saying that the "tech" would be outdated therefore it would not be easy to sell.

Well, I would guess that would be the case for any "luxury" car. Expect 50% of its value lost in a relatively short time. I have owned slightly used Vettes and I could usually buy them at a much lower cost as opposed to a new one.

So in short, it goes without saying. They will all lose value but the BEV cars should last longer with fewer problems (due to fewer mechanical parts) than ICE.

I guess we will see here shortly though................

 

[RickMachE]

A 30 percent reduction in range is significant, in my book. I know that 5+ years from now the car will likely only have retail value of scrap/battery, but I hope it will still be a functional method of transportation.

You totally missed my point. You will very likely NOT have a 30% reduction. I would expect 15%. That is NOT significant.

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