Do you think it’s likely that the 5 second acceleration limit will change?

[Scooby24]

Pretty much exactly this. The EV6 GT is fun, and performance wise eats the GTPE for lunch, but inside it “feels” like a Kia to me. Just a little cheap.

The Tesla M3P, to me, isn’t fun, but performance wise eats the GTPE for lunch. And it’s cramped in there. I know it’s not a direct competitor, but it’s what I’ve tried.

The GTPE does soooo many things right, but the mid to semi high speed acceleration is pretty lacking. And Ford did all these “track based” adverts. I feel like we wouldn’t have been as disappointed if the called it the GT Special, and not played up the “take it on the track!” thing.

I had a GT Line and your comments are spot on. The whole car felt "Kia". I really, strongly, aggressively preferred my GT over it and I ended up trading it in for another MME. Others will definitely disagree but where the mustang feels like well built vehicle with a higher stance, wider room, more cargo area small SUV...the kia felt like a car...and not a 60k one.

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[Auto Motive]

Tesla is a fantastic car. There’s a reason it’s selling so much.

After having driven a Model 3 for 5 years, I just expected a bit more from Model Y in terms of looks and features. They’ve nailed the price point, range, spaciousness, MMI tech, and overall infrastructure. No blind spot alert. No rear cross traffic alert. No CarPlay. No android auto. Possibly the worst media player, awkward screen positioning, and lack of 5G (they’re selling cars with LTE in 2023?!). These things make me feel like they’ve essentially become “people movers” like some of the brands starting with H and T. If they address these issues in their future generation and make the cabin a bit more luxurious, it’s an easy choice for me.

I went with GTPE purely for a change. It’s got decent build quality (more or less the same as Model Y in recent years), but their doors are worse (felt too light), tech is worse but not atrocious, but the drive quality is top notch. And infrastructure is growing (that’s not a ford problem but a non Tesla EV issue so can’t blame Ford for that). Range estimation is a bit more realistic than Tesla. And thank god it doesn’t look like a shoe box!

It does have cross traffic alert and new positioning of camera views. OTA are weekly. I love thdd GTPE but something a little special in the Y. Wife loves it period and we are in our mid 70s. If you run at 65mph even with ac on you will get 300 miles like we do.

 

[JoeDimwit]

All the 5 seconds limit complaints by me and others are valid.

But every once and a while I have to give myself a reality check.

The reality check is this:
we are complaining about the acceleration of a crossover, that despite its flaws, still does 0-60 in 3.5 and the 1/4 mile in low 12 seconds.

Take a look at the list of cars that can do either or both of those things. I can guarantee “lack of acceleration” isn’t a complaint for any of them.

No no no… we are complaining about the lack of performance in a Mustang.

 

[stealthytolkien]

It does have cross traffic alert and new positioning of camera views. OTA are weekly. I love thdd GTPE but something a little special in the Y. Wife loves it period and we are in our mid 70s. If you run at 65mph even with ac on you will get 300 miles like we do.

Model Y does not have a rear-cross-traffic-alert (RCTA) system. I am not talking about their wide angle rear camera, which is great. It will not alert you if a pedestrian or car is approaching from left or right behind you as you’re backing out.

In one of their recent updates, Tesla claims that the car will at least now brake in reverse. Still, too little too late. Same with blind sport alert system. Simply not done well.

Hey, don’t get me wrong, our household has used a Tesla 4+ years more than yours as we were early adopters . The 2018 Tesla at launch was a very different car even software wise than it is today. And I, as a customer, take at least one speck of sand credit in making that possible. We have lived the pains as their cars and software got better each year. I gotta hand it to them that they kept at it despite all odds and what we have today in the name of Model Y is near perfect.

And that’s why I feel entitled to hold them accountable for being adamant about not adding traditional features that many people zonk Tesla for. That’s the only reason they have lost my business (for now). I’ll dump the Ford (it’s already on thin ice haha) and I’ll be the first one in line when Model Y becomes a better “car”. It’s already the best electric vehicle in the world IMHO; just not a great car.

That brings us to Ford MME GTPE.

Is it built better than Model Y? Not substantially. Just a bit better. And that too not across the board. I like Tesla Y doors better than MME’s which feel really weak and flimsy and lack the satisfying thunk when closed.

Is seating more comfortable? No. It is about the same, but Tesla is definitely better for very tall people as it’s about 10% more spacious.

But does it drive better as a daily driver than Model Y? In my opinion and experience so far, it does. Better suspension. Better handling. And feels way more nimble than Y. But it’s got some very obvious advantages over GTPE - solid 300 mile range, perfect charging infrastructure, and better software. For a first time EV owner, it’s the perfect brand to get. For us, we rarely needed to rely on public chargers. We just needed more space than Model 3, a bit more range than Model 3, a better dampened suspension (I really dislike Model Y suspension), and the two features I keep harping on, BSMS and RCTA. Unfortunately there’s just no other choice other than CR1 (range) and GTPE (slightly less range but top notch suspension), is there? And nope, not buying a Kia or Hyundai unless I get to test them for free for 1 month .

And lastly looks. I loved the Tesla Model 3 looks when it came out. But it is now everywhere and it’s become a bit too commonplace and old. Nothing wrong with it. I was just bored. I get that the looks are highly subjective but I was always a fan of the Mustang brand and looks. But, as soon as my wife saw one Mach E on the road, she, someone who has 0 interest in cars and tech, exclaimed and asked me what car it was. That was more than enough validation to go for it

Sounds like you guys have a Ford and a Tesla. Ugh, don’t give me ideas! We bought 2 cars in the last two months. Tesla 3 became a low miles Audi SQ5 for cross country / very long drives that we never do haha. Just liked the car a lot. And Prius became a low miles MME GTPE to balance out the gas expense

 

[BigMach-E]

Great choice. Easy learning curve on using screen or voice for m
We have a GTPE and cannot believe how fast it is red lite to red light. The high torque blowscawawy most muscle cars.
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After driving my wifes new AWD model Y I am disappointed in getting the GTPE instead of a performance y. Her tesla beats me in a quarter miles and it only has 385hp. In addition she is able to get added power on a $2000 performance boost. Cost $53000. Minus $7500 tax credit.

Mmm, don’t think a LR AWD MY beats a GTPE in the quarter. Maybe one out of four times, and by 0.1 second? A MYP? Yes, definitely does, every time.

 

[Mach1E]

Mmm, don’t think a LR AWD MY beats a GTPE in the quarter. Maybe one out of four times, and by 0.1 second? A MYP? Yes, definitely does, every time.

It’s closer than I want it to be.

That said, 0 out of 10 people would say the acceleration in the Y LR is more fun.**


**in comes the one weirdo who thinks flooring it at 80 mph is more fun then a low speed launch. ?

 

[buzznwood]

It’s closer than I want it to be.

That said, 0 out of 10 people would say the acceleration in the Y LR is more fun.**


**in comes the one weirdo who thinks flooring it at 80 mph is more fun then a low speed launch. ?

The problem with the GTPE low speed launches are they start to becomes hopeless once you have a few miles on the tires as they become consistently inconsistent. For the amount of control an electric motor offers along along with having adaptive suspension it really needed a proper launch control program as it should be able to to do better before the 5 second limitations kick in.

 

[Mach1E]

The problem with the GTPE low speed launches are they start to becomes hopeless once you have a few miles on the tires as they become consistently inconsistent. For the amount of control an electric motor offers along along with having adaptive suspension it really needed a proper launch control program as it should be able to to do better before the 5 second limitations kick in.

I agree about the tires. Mine stopped hooking up after only 5,000 miles.

But to be clear, that means that now we are complaining about TOO MUCH power, not too little.

I look forward to getting better (stickier) summer tires.

It has traction control, but honestly I’ve never had the traction control intervene, even when spinning the tires.

For now I just have to ease into the throttle (like pretty much any other high powered vehicle on the street).

 

[Auto Motive]

Mmm, don’t think a LR AWD MY beats a GTPE in the quarter. Maybe one out of four times, and by 0.1 second? A MYP? Yes, definitely does, every time.

12.6 100.4 miles GTPE
12.4 sec @ 114.7 mph model y

 

[BigMach-E]

The suspense is killing me, will Ford make the performance aspect of the existing cars better? We can assume that they can, because they are “considering” it. I guess it’s a matter of bean counting (does the profit potential of a software upgrade outweigh possible increase of likelihood of HVJB failures that are covered under warranty) at this point.

 

[BigMach-E]

12.6 100.4 miles GTPE
12.4 sec @ 114.7 mph model y

There have been 12.3 second quarter miles with the GTPE.

 

[Mach1E]

There have been 12.3 second quarter miles with the GTPE.

And some 12.7 times for the Y LR.

That said, the Y LR vs performance reminds me a bit of the GT vs premium.

LR is a second slower to 60 vs the Performance……. But has the same trap speed in the 1/4 mile…..

Sounds real familiar. All the “magic” happens at very low speeds.

 

[Regulus7]

While I am no Tesla fanboy I think it is honest to acknowledge their lead in the EV race on many fronts. But this is because they were so early and also because of not being weighed down by legacy issues - like the dealer networks. So I am willing to cut Ford a little slack. Let’s see what the mustang EV in 2025 or 2026 looks and feels like. Will they leapfrog the MYP by then? Or not?
Certainly by 2025/26 there will be even more EV options out there. The challenge for me will be to keep my mileage down or else I am going to have to buy out my balloon when it comes due in 2026…. I am hopeful that the 2026 Mach E GT should be an all around better performer …

 

[sotek2345]

While I am no Tesla fanboy I think it is honest to acknowledge their lead in the EV race on many fronts. But this is because they were so early and also because of not being weighed down by legacy issues - like the dealer networks. So I am willing to cut Ford a little slack. Let’s see what the mustang EV in 2025 or 2026 looks and feels like. Will they leapfrog the MYP by then? Or not?
Certainly by 2025/26 there will be even more EV options out there. The challenge for me will be to keep my mileage down or else I am going to have to buy out my balloon when it comes due in 2026…. I am hopeful that the 2026 Mach E GT should be an all around better performer …

Well I will say that Ford did a much better job with the Lighting in terms of EV performance. No 5 second rule, way less thermal throttling and reduction of power at lower battery levels as well, so they know what they are doing. I also have high hopes for gen 2

 

[BigMach-E]

Well I will say that Ford did a much better job with the Lighting in terms of EV performance. No 5 second rule, way less thermal throttling and reduction of power at lower battery levels as well, so they know what they are doing. I also have high hopes for gen 2

Yeah, I’m not hoping for Gen 2. I’m hoping that Ford decides to not leave the folks who took a chance at the first gen high and dry in terms of performance. I believe the hardware can handle pushing power for longer. It’s just a matter of if Ford releases a software fix or not, I think they have something in the pipeline for Gen 1, but it may never be released. Again, I’m unlikely to buy another Ford if that is the case. I know what I got myself into, but the marketing was misleading.

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