Tesla Supercharger access now stated as February 2024 (by Tesla)

[jgillmer]

Might be nice, but no chance of that happening. Don't get your hopes up.

No chance because that 2 ft ext would need to be a cable that has 200-400 amp capability. And, above 250, those cables have coolant

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[Dustus]

Lectron seems to be selling the adapter already.

https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...ith-gm-ford-rivian-mercedes-nissan-500a-1000v

I love all the 5 star reviews of this adapter when no one even has the product in hand.

 

[Luke]

I needed to check that up. There are 11 reviews already. And one of them claims it works perfectly ?. At least most say it will be a good adapter. Still, that does not inspire trust.

 

[vortex_walker]

Spotted this on the ford website. "Ford charge" coming in January 2024 and "Tesla chargers" coming in Spring 2024.
Source: Public EV Charging Near Me | Ford Electric Vehicles | Ford.com

 

[Moeyjar]

As someone who lives in an area with mostly V2 Superchargers (150kwh), this adapter will not be compatible, correct? Only on the v3/v4 until Tesla retrofits these?

If/when Ford updates their vehicles for NACS, will they only have access to those same v3/v4 chargers, or is it just a limitation of the adapter at this point? I may consider updating to a 2025/2026 Mach-E for the NACS charging port, but might not be beneficial if no Tesla v2 Superchargers are compatible with it.

 

[RickMachE]

As someone who lives in an area with mostly V2 Superchargers (150kwh), this adapter will not be compatible, correct? Only on the v3/v4 until Tesla retrofits these?

If/when Ford updates their vehicles for NACS, will they only have access to those same v3/v4 chargers, or is it just a limitation of the adapter at this point? I may consider updating to a 2025/2026 Mach-E for the NACS charging port, but might not be beneficial if no Tesla v2 Superchargers are compatible with it.

I can't imagine anyone knows what will be compatible on a future Ford port not yet in service. Part of the compatibility is communication between vehicle and charger, not just the adapter.

 

[SWO]

Spotted this on the ford website. "Ford charge" coming in January 2024 and "Tesla chargers" coming in Spring 2024.
Source: Public EV Charging Near Me | Ford Electric Vehicles | Ford.com

I'm betting Ford Charge is the dealer units?

 

[AhardFSU]

Spotted this on the ford website. "Ford charge" coming in January 2024 and "Tesla chargers" coming in Spring 2024.
Source: Public EV Charging Near Me | Ford Electric Vehicles | Ford.com

Ok....Ford website says spring 2024 for Tesla charges but the Tesla Supercharger rep in the video posted on page 1 of this thread says GM and Ford will have access in Feb 2024. I'd like more of a definitive answer from Ford bc "spring" is doing a lot of work in that statement and "spring" can encompass a wide timeframe but I doubt we'll get one due to what I'll mention in the following sentences.

I'm only making a guess, but one could speculate that Tesla will have done everything it needs to by Feb 2024 so that in theory a Ford or GM vehicle could pull up and use a V3/V4 supercharger in Feb. Based on Ford's website statement, you could infer from that "spring" wording that Ford is giving themselves a wide berth regarding supercharger availability bc something they're doing---probably software related, that will not be ready by Feb and they don't have an approximate month for when it'll be ready.

If that's the case, then we should be skeptical due to Ford's less than stellar history with software and pushing out software updates to everyone in a timely fashion. I'm more inclined to believe that based on Ford's "spring" comment, that most owners of Ford EVs will not be able to use V3/V4 superchargers until June or later of 2024; and not bc of something that is Tesla's fault but bc of Ford's software efforts related to this issue. We shall see if Ford is able to stick to the "spring" timeline and "spring" really does mean March or April.

 

[AhardFSU]

I can't imagine anyone knows what will be compatible on a future Ford port not yet in service. Part of the compatibility is communication between vehicle and charger, not just the adapter.

Correct. And more specifically, is Ford going to introduce CAN in those future EVs so that they can use the V2 chargers or just stick with the CCS protocol, which allows for access to the V3 and V4 superchargers. No one knows at this point.

 

[RickMachE]

Ok....Ford website says spring 2024 for Tesla charges but the Tesla Supercharger rep in the video posted on page 1 of this thread says GM and Ford will have access in Feb 2024. I'd like more of a definitive answer from Ford bc "spring" is doing a lot of work in that statement and "spring" can encompass a wide timeframe but I doubt we'll get one due to what I'll mention in the following sentences.

I'm only making a guess, but one could speculate that Tesla will have done everything it needs to by Feb 2024 so that in theory a Ford or GM vehicle could pull up and use a V3/V4 supercharger in Feb. Based on Ford's website statement, you could infer from that "spring" wording that Ford is giving themselves a wide berth regarding supercharger availability bc something they're doing---probably software related, that will not be ready by Feb and they don't have an approximate month for when it'll be ready.

If that's the case, then we should be skeptical due to Ford's less than stellar history with software and pushing out software updates to everyone in a timely fashion. I'm more inclined to believe that based on Ford's "spring" comment, that most owners of Ford EVs will not be able to use V3/V4 superchargers until June or later of 2024; and not bc of something that is Tesla's fault but bc of Ford's software efforts related to this issue. We shall see if Ford is able to stick to the "spring" timeline and "spring" really does mean March or April.

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[ChasingCoral]

As someone who lives in an area with mostly V2 Superchargers (150kwh), this adapter will not be compatible, correct? Only on the v3/v4 until Tesla retrofits these?

Currently only v3/v4 Superchargers use the CCS communication protocol, so v2s should not work with CCS vehicles. That’s also consistent with the number of available Supercharger for Ford use that they announced. Tesla may come up with an update to v2s but nothing about that has been announced.

 

[dbsb3233]

Ok....Ford website says spring 2024 for Tesla charges but the Tesla Supercharger rep in the video posted on page 1 of this thread says GM and Ford will have access in Feb 2024. I'd like more of a definitive answer from Ford bc "spring" is doing a lot of work in that statement and "spring" can encompass a wide timeframe but I doubt we'll get one due to what I'll mention in the following sentences.

I'm only making a guess, but one could speculate that Tesla will have done everything it needs to by Feb 2024 so that in theory a Ford or GM vehicle could pull up and use a V3/V4 supercharger in Feb. Based on Ford's website statement, you could infer from that "spring" wording that Ford is giving themselves a wide berth regarding supercharger availability bc something they're doing---probably software related, that will not be ready by Feb and they don't have an approximate month for when it'll be ready.

If that's the case, then we should be skeptical due to Ford's less than stellar history with software and pushing out software updates to everyone in a timely fashion. I'm more inclined to believe that based on Ford's "spring" comment, that most owners of Ford EVs will not be able to use V3/V4 superchargers until June or later of 2024; and not bc of something that is Tesla's fault but bc of Ford's software efforts related to this issue. We shall see if Ford is able to stick to the "spring" timeline and "spring" really does mean March or April.

I would take that one lady's "February" line with a big grain of salt. Just like Farley's "we'll send everyone an adapter" line where people just assumed that mean free adapters. Verbal, off-the-top-of-their-heads lines are a lot less official that written announcements. Verbally it's easy to mis-remember a date, or to say it in a way that doesn't mean exactly what people may interpret it as.

I'm still expecting Spring unless/until a written announcement comes out to supersede it. And that's only if things go as planned without delays. If there's movement, it's usually more like to slide back than move up.

 

[Aubury]

Correct. And more specifically, is Ford going to introduce CAN in those future EVs so that they can use the V2 chargers or just stick with the CCS protocol, which allows for access to the V3 and V4 superchargers. No one knows at this point.

I would say its unlikely. Tesla has been replacing the V2 chargers with newer ones as they go. They would likely see no real benefit to adding additional hardware and software for something that won't stay around for very long. Additionally NACS doesn't include the spec for the Supercharger CAN protocol so Ford would have to license it from Tesla if they wanted to do that.

It would certainly be nice as consumers to have access to those, especially since the Mach E peaks at 150kW and that's the max V2 can provide so there's no missed charging performance using the older chargers, it just doesn't make sense economically for Ford to include the added effort for a system that's already being phased out before they even have the NACS plug.

 

[azerik]

Hopefully the authorization & charge process is integrated within our smart phone FordPass and and the new charge assist app inside of the touch screen. Redundancy is critical for reliable road tripping.

I don’t want the FP app to do anything. It can’t do half the crap it was supposed to reasonably and they’d have yet another thing to have Ford screw up. If Tesla is supposed to do the software fantastic, it’d actually get done. The FP app being another failure point in the chain of things that could make this not work.
we’re still waiting on a known L2 charging issue from nearly a year ago.

if a $200 adapter is needed to enable us to pay even more for kW just in the off chance we’d need a SC to go somewhere I don’t think this has much of a chance of solving any infrastructure issues. Until NACS is plug and charge it’s going to be an uphill battle to get people to even use it. If I have to pay more, on all fronts and Ford screws it up to be another EA type of charging juggle it’s doomed. It’d take a few really long road trips to level out the $200+ adapter and higher kW costs.

 

[bbulkow]

In the Tesla application, the superchargers that do not use CCS protocols are labelled "Tesla Only," and it's probably reasonable to thing that applications like PlugShare would only list the CCS superchargers.

It wouldn't be hard to update Ford Navigation to only target CCS superchargers. I'm surprised how well Ford Navigation and Charge Assist already works, and I'm looking forward to the additional chargers being listed.

I am not sure why everyone is getting so bent about how we'd have to have Ford's navigation to the correct superchargers. I find Ford's navigation to chargers absolutely useless in a driving situation. They tend to discard my routing information and have a terrible method of showing how many chargers are currently in use, and they're often out of date regarding what's broken and not.

I use Google "find chargers" more than I use Ford. And I use PlugShare more than that. And I always bring up the network's app (in this case Tesla) to double-check availability.

A car vendor's nav system will always be worse than a specalist - in this case, Google Maps.

I'm really hoping Google gets its act together regarding V2 vs V3 chargers. It's not that bad at figuring out plug types (that got better a few months ago), and they have a filter for KW of charger, so maybe they'll get it right.

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