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NEVI in Oregon has built zero chargers... in full implementation it will build a few dozen total charge cables (only 4 chargers at a site)... NEVI is so bad it is irrelevant.
NEVI is not necessarily bad - I would say if your statement is correct then Oregon’s implementation is poor. If Alaska with about 2000 EV’s can build 9 sites than Oregon certainly has no excuse!
 

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NEVI in Oregon has built zero chargers... in full implementation it will build a few dozen total charge cables (only 4 chargers at a site)... NEVI is so bad it is irrelevant.
yeah, ODOT can't break out of a wet paper bag - here is their latest:
  • ODOT is developing a new “Design-Build-Operate-Maintain" contract and the requests for proposals (RFP) for the NEVI Year 1 corridors. This project delivery strategy will help accelerate the build out of not only Year 1 corridors but Years 2-5 corridors. However, the development for both the contract creation and RFP development for Year 1 corridors requires additional time. Therefore, the RFP release will be delayed beyond first quarter of 2024.
 

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NEVI is not necessarily bad - I would say if your statement is correct then Oregon’s implementation is poor. If Alaska with about 2000 EV’s can build 9 sites than Oregon certainly has no excuse!
oregon has an ODOT problem. we have site selection pretty much done but ODOT decided 2+ years into the process to implement a completely new contracting process.
 

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well... except the internet CEOs were right and Elon was wrong about

  • Solar roof
  • Twitter
  • Boring company
  • and... most likely the SC network
With people like Musk you win some you lose some. It's the nature of business. And then there are those who will never have anything even close to what Musk has and will never do anything close to what he has done, win or lose. But you can bet those same people will be on the internet pointing out what they think is wrong/bad.

Like I said. For some, it's all they have.
 
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oregon has an ODOT problem. we have site selection pretty much done but ODOT decided 2+ years into the process to implement a completely new contracting process.
If they are successful with the maintain-operate aspect then the wait will be worthwhile!
 

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oregon has an ODOT problem. we have site selection pretty much done but ODOT decided 2+ years into the process to implement a completely new contracting process.
One of the few DCFC manufacturers that qualifies for NEVI stations because of its Tennessee plant, Tritium DCFC Ltd., went into receivership in its headquarters country (Australia). That may be a reason. Hawaii has 2 NEVI stations on line with the third quite close to opening. The other 6 or 7 stations are on hold now due to the receivership.
 

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My hunch is that the Tesla deal with Ford and other manufactures was never going to be a good deal for non Tesla owners. I'm sure Musk got everything he wanted. The Tesla plug adopted as the standard for chargers, and some new customers willing to pay more to use their network of chargers. I wonder if Tesla owners will pay the same to charge at a Ford network charger. I will find out some day if I ever get the adapter. Meanwhile the best charger in my network is in my garage...
Agree, the best charger I have is in my garage.

And funny that this thread warns of no politics. Without politics there may have not been any reason for this thread,

Perhaps Musk just figured out he makes more money selling cars than he does electricity. He's not been selling near as many cars as he wants lately. Instead, by opening the super chargers to other manufacturers, he's helping his competitors to sell more cars. Thanks Elon.
 

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I have seen a good amount of people surmise that as well, but I don't really agree (don't worry, that's OK we can disagree and still be friends!). Their vision-only approach is basically make-it-or-break it. I'm definitely not an expert, just a keyboard warrior, but it seems like people in the industry believe that cheaper Lidar is the only real way forward for a competent self-driving system. And, again being the non-expert in the room but having at least some common sense, I would agree.

Elon's argument is that humans navigate with only eyes and a brain so cars can too. I mean, I guess so but in the U.S. something like 30 thousand people die per year in car accidents so maybe not the best system? Oh well, like I said what do I know. Maybe it's not the fault of vision but of the brain :)
Well, until they start installing cameras that can actually see as the human eye is generally understood to see, I don’t see this setup ever getting coming close to replicating how well we see, understand and judge the world and circumstances around us.

IMHO (and I’m no expert on this btw), you essentially need at least two cameras for every perspective/angle, and ideally, all of them should sport high-res sensors that can actually handle light like our eyes can without over-exposing brighter objects (sun, clouds and headlights) or muddying darker objects with under-exposure (darker skin tones, vehicle colors, bodies of water, roadways).

That means two HDR-equipped cameras for the windshield, two on each fender, two for the rear, and two for any other exterior location, plus a supercomputer of sorts that can actually process and interpret that much visual data. Which would be incredibly expense with today’s tech, not to mention the extra weight, complexity and increase in power consumption such a system comes with.

Single low-res camera may be fine for close-range, controlled lighting and single-perspective applications like driver awareness monitoring, but for long range applications like roadways, you really need two cameras (or a 3D-capable one) for proper depth perception from all angles. And they need to be able to handle outdoor lightning properly, so as to not confuse a body of water for a ramp, or a semi trailer for the sky.

Like, even Roombas could use this fundamental understanding of vision-based navigation, as with their current tech, they still are far behind the competition in terms of general navigation, even though they absolutely excel in close-range obstacle avoidance.

Of course, I’m by no means discrediting the impressive progress Tesla (or Roomba for that matter) has made in interpreting what little information they get from such a limited camera-only setup - there’s no doubt about how much they’ve advanced technologically with their current tech. But until they come out with some kind of ai system that can magically sort out accurate depth and lighting information from single-view, standard-def 2D sensors (which btw, can’t even compete with the latest of mid-tier smartphones), in motion at high-speed AND in real-time, I just don’t see this method ever being better or cheaper than just using purpose-built sensors that already far exceeds even our own vision capabilities. Who knows, maybe they are working on such a futuristic ai system like I described, but until then, they’ve got quite a way to go.
 
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It is possible that Tesla will sell off the Supercharging business for cash. If this happens, it could continue as one or several new enterprises. Optimistically, an independent Supercharger company may benefit the consumer by further expanding its footprint and technologies. Pessimistically, if the Supercharging business stays with Tesla, it may turn in to a "dying cash cow".
This actually should happen.
 

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I think you raise a valid concern.
surely they're contractually obligated and couldn't just stop service, they could refuse to renew contracts but we don't even know the terms of the contract between ford and others and tesla.
 

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And funny that this thread warns of no politics. Without politics there may have not been any reason for this thread,
Elon's very real and self-destructive character flaws may be triggered by politics but aren't political in and of themselves.

For example, it was perfectly OK to discuss Steve Job's mercurial and self-destructive personality but I don't think politics was really ever part of his public persona. If anything, he kept away from it.
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