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I have really enjoyed reading all these reviews and many more. People are really liking this vehicle! There have been very few negative comments. I particularly enjoyed the drive along from "Out of Spec" mentioned later in this thread. I keep wanting to go to those Tesla car forums and point them out and say SEE FANBOYS SEE! Our cars Rock! Yours are yesterday's news. But as we know, that's a waste of digits. ?
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Comprehensive review from elbil24 (Norway). Includes feedback on the driving experience, Ionity high speed charging, efficiency, premium vehicle qualities, and more.

https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/ford-mustang-mach-e-under-lupen/73187208

Auto-translation to English:
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?fr...eter/ford-mustang-mach-e-under-lupen/73187208

My favorite quote from the article:

BAKSETET: Setet har bĂĄde en god sittepute, og god plass til langbeinte.

BACK SEAT: The seat has both a good seat cushion, and plenty of space for Goofy.

I think langbeinte should be long-legged, but I prefer Microsoft's choice. ?
 

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2 things surprised me, you can lock lock the car with the keyfob in it? And charging from 0% to 80% took an hour, granted it was cold but the car was not.
Still no dealbreakers ;)
 

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Comprehensive review from elbil24 (Norway). Includes feedback on the driving experience, Ionity high speed charging, efficiency, premium vehicle qualities, and more.

https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/ford-mustang-mach-e-under-lupen/73187208

Auto-translation to English:
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?from=nb&to=en&dl=en&ref=trb&a=https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/ford-mustang-mach-e-under-lupen/73187208

My favorite quote from the article:

BAKSETET: Setet har bĂĄde en god sittepute, og god plass til langbeinte.

BACK SEAT: The seat has both a good seat cushion, and plenty of space for Goofy.

I think langbeinte should be long-legged, but I prefer Microsoft's choice. ?
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"It quickly dropped to 80 kW again, and stayed there until we had charged the battery to 80 percent.

Then it was like screwing over a switch, and the charging power dropped all the way down to 13 kW.

From 0 – 80 percent we had charged about exactly an hour. The remaining charging time for the last 20 per cent was reported to be another hour and a half. This latter would not have given us any relevant knowledge, and we ended charging at 85 percent so-called State of Charge, or battery level in poor Norwegian. It had been 24 minutes since we ticked 80 per cent."


Notes the 80% brick wall on charging over there also. A 100 KWh battery with 88 KWh usable and a huge buffer that you can charge only to 80% when range matters traveling; so 0.8 x 88 = 70 KWh and less usable than the more efficient Model Y. Two battery decisions I think are definitely not costumer oriented and especially not for those in colder climates. Think this brick wall at 80% may change in the future? 70 KWh usable of a 100 KWh battery is starting to point at a problem or just plain ridiculous.

EV Database real world 305 Km x 0.7 (10% arrival with a 80% charge brick wall) or 213 Km at -10 oC is not looking good for too much but a butt sliding grocery vehicle at -15 to -20 oC. No complaints about covid delays; Ford can take their time. Would like to see the charging curve or some communication for the decisions of the buffer and the brick wall. Costs a bit more for the ER which has now appears to be dumbed down to a SR.
 

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Translated Quote

"It quickly dropped to 80 kW again, and stayed there until we had charged the battery to 80 percent.

Then it was like screwing over a switch, and the charging power dropped all the way down to 13 kW.

From 0 – 80 percent we had charged about exactly an hour. The remaining charging time for the last 20 per cent was reported to be another hour and a half. This latter would not have given us any relevant knowledge, and we ended charging at 85 percent so-called State of Charge, or battery level in poor Norwegian. It had been 24 minutes since we ticked 80 per cent."


Notes the 80% brick wall on charging over there also. A 100 KWh battery with 88 KWh usable and a huge buffer that you can charge only to 80% when range matters traveling; so 0.8 x 88 = 70 KWh and less usable than the more efficient Model Y. Two battery decisions I think are definitely not costumer oriented and especially not for those in colder climates. Think this brick wall at 80% may change in the future? 70 KWh usable of a 100 KWh battery is starting to point at a problem or just plain ridiculous.

EV Database real world 305 Km x 0.7 (10% arrival with a 80% charge brick wall) or 213 Km at -10 oC is not looking good for too much but a butt sliding grocery vehicle at -15 to -20 oC. No complaints about covid delays; Ford can take their time. Would like to see the charging curve or some communication for the decisions of the buffer and the brick wall. Costs a bit more for the ER which has now appears to be dumbed down to a SR.
All EV's do that with DCFC some ramp down faster than others; even Tesla's ramp down at 80%.

Its the nature of battery tech today and fast charging.

Sure Ford's seems to be a bit more harsh than others but, much like Tesla, with OTA updates that can, and likely, will change.
 

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All EV's do that with DCFC some ramp down faster than others; even Tesla's ramp down at 80%.

Its the nature of battery tech today and fast charging.

Sure Ford's seems to be a bit more harsh than others but, much like Tesla, with OTA updates that can, and likely, will change.
80 to 13 KWh is not a ramp it is a cliff. It makes travel charging to 90% at -15 oC impossible.
 

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Translated Quote

"It quickly dropped to 80 kW again, and stayed there until we had charged the battery to 80 percent.

Then it was like screwing over a switch, and the charging power dropped all the way down to 13 kW.

From 0 – 80 percent we had charged about exactly an hour. The remaining charging time for the last 20 per cent was reported to be another hour and a half. This latter would not have given us any relevant knowledge, and we ended charging at 85 percent so-called State of Charge, or battery level in poor Norwegian. It had been 24 minutes since we ticked 80 per cent."


Notes the 80% brick wall on charging over there also. A 100 KWh battery with 88 KWh usable and a huge buffer that you can charge only to 80% when range matters traveling; so 0.8 x 88 = 70 KWh and less usable than the more efficient Model Y. Two battery decisions I think are definitely not costumer oriented and especially not for those in colder climates. Think this brick wall at 80% may change in the future? 70 KWh usable of a 100 KWh battery is starting to point at a problem or just plain ridiculous.

EV Database real world 305 Km x 0.7 (10% arrival with a 80% charge brick wall) or 213 Km at -10 oC is not looking good for too much but a butt sliding grocery vehicle at -15 to -20 oC. No complaints about covid delays; Ford can take their time. Would like to see the charging curve or some communication for the decisions of the buffer and the brick wall. Costs a bit more for the ER which has now appears to be dumbed down to a SR.
From what many reviews have been saying, it seems Ford is being very conservative with the battery at first. They’ll likely get data from the first few thousand deliveries and tune from there.
(and hopefully also add horsepower ?)
 

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80 to 13 KWh is not a ramp it is a cliff. It makes travel charging to 90% at -15 oC impossible.
Look at some of the 1000km challanges from Tesla Bjorn, effectively you only charge enough to get to the next fast charger.
 

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From what many reviews have been saying, it seems Ford is being very conservative with the battery at first. They’ll likely get data from the first few thousand deliveries and tune from there.
(and hopefully also add horsepower ?)
Conservative appears to be an under statement. Can we take that to the bank? SR AWD dyna numbers released; appears they are also old numbers used only for emissions as they correspond very closely to the 2 cycle 250 mi EPA range of the MME 4x. Numbers do not lie as initial consumption numbers confirm, window stickers not too sure.
Look at some of the 1000km challanges from Tesla Bjorn, effectively you only charge enough to get to the next fast charger.
Problem with that is that at -15 to -20 oC you will not make it to the next charger up here.
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