Do you think it’s likely that the 5 second acceleration limit will change?

[Mach1E]

I'll just say that Ford is considering increasing the performance of current GT/GTPE vehicles at a cost. What that entails, and if it includes more than 5 seconds ... to be continued at a later date.

I’ll pay that cost if it entails some of the 562 hp the motors are capable of.

If it entails just allowing our 480hp for more time………. That better be FREE!**

**Although I would totally pay for that too.

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[BigMach-E]

I'll just say that Ford is considering increasing the performance of current GT/GTPE vehicles at a cost. What that entails, and if it includes more than 5 seconds ... to be continued at a later date.

So your saying there’s a chance…

 

[MachEMaster]

So we have come to the consensus, the flux capacitor has to be able to sustain 1000 amps continuous. Someone out there is working on it this minute. It won't be long.

 

[Bueller]

I wouldn't even say "great deal" I would just say "do you care about performance" and on top of that I would add "do you ever find yourself passing people on a 2 lane 65+ mph highway" and if the answer is yes I'd tell them to look elsewhere.

Such ridiculous, hand wringing drama. Drop the hammer while doing 65 and you’ll be doing 100 mph in five seconds. Save it.

 

[buzznwood]

I’ll pay that cost if it entails some of the 562 hp the motors are capable of.

If it entails just allowing our 480hp for more time………. That better be FREE!**

**Although I would totally pay for that too.

If ford had sense they should be offering a proper performance pack and offer it under performance ford there is no carb nonsense they have to worry about with an EV, just let the performance engineers go to town and offer upgraded power components and handling components needed.

Sure it would have been nice if it actually came like that from the factory, but that ship has long since sailed, the GT/GTPE is always going to be limited by the top speed compared the newer crop of performance EVs in this sector but enabling full power from the motors (no doubt battery charge % dependent) and fixing the wayward handling would be a good way to keep the GT/GTPE at least relevant and keep existent customers that care about performance on board.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Just came here to see if anyone else has seen that the non-sporting, luxury minded 500hp/450tq Cadillac Lyric AWD ran a 12.9@113 mph 1/4 mile even though it’s tuned for an easy launch and 4.6 0-60 run? 113mph in the 1/4 and it’s about 900-1000 lbs heavier than a GTPE. Now I know the Blazer SS EV and it’s 550+hp and 600+tq are going to absolutely maul the GTPE. Well done Ford ??

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a43893925/2023-cadillac-lyriq-600e4-awd-by-the-numbers/

 

[Mach1E]

Just came here to see if anyone else has seen that the non-sporting, luxury minded 500hp/450tq Cadillac Lyric AWD ran a 12.9@113 mph 1/4 mile even though it’s tuned for an easy launch and 4.6 0-60 run? 113mph in the 1/4 and it’s about 900-1000 lbs heavier than a GTPE. Now I know the Blazer SS EV and it’s 550+hp and 600+tq are going to absolutely maul the GTPE. Well done Ford ??

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a43893925/2023-cadillac-lyriq-600e4-awd-by-the-numbers/

Still hoping that trap speed wins races I see? ?

Yes, the Lyric will be bus lengths behind a GTPE in the 1/8th and a few carlengths behind at the 1/4.

Chevy advertises the 0-60 of the SS as “under 4,” which is slower than the GTPE.

Not sure exactly what the “slower than the Mach E” Lyric article proves exactly.

My guess for the SS vs GTPE? It gets crushed off the line and maybe catches up and passes by the 1/4 mile (if you’re still racing by then). But only after hitting a bunch of buttons to go into WOW mode. Much higher trap speed of course. SS will dominate the roll races (if WOW mode lets you).

At any streetlight, GTPE dominated, even if you have 15 seconds to prepare for WOW mode.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Still hoping that trap speed wins races I see? ?

Yes, the Lyric will be bus lengths behind a GTPE in the 1/8th and a few carlengths behind at the 1/4.

Chevy advertises the 0-60 of the SS as “under 4,” which is slower than the GTPE.

Not sure exactly what the “slower than the Mach E” Lyric article proves exactly.

My guess for the SS vs GTPE? It gets crushed off the line and maybe catches up and passes by the 1/4 mile (if you’re still racing by then). But only after hitting a bunch of buttons to go into WOW mode. Much higher trap speed of course. SS will dominate the roll races (if WOW mode lets you).

At any streetlight, GTPE dominated, even if you have 15 seconds to prepare for WOW mode.

I’m pretty sure you know me well enough by now to know that a 3.6 vs a 3.8-4.0 0-60 doesn’t concern me in the least. I’m about mid and top end pull, 30-70, 30-90, 60-130 type stuff, as you know. I don’t do much light to light stuff. So, a luxury EV based on the same Ultium platform as the Blazer SS with much less HP/TQ running 12.9@113 with no launch mode trickery is significant, yes. That means the SS could feasibly run 12.5-12.6@115ish just due to the extra output alone, without engaging WOW mode. And, maybe WOW mode gets another 3-4 tenths by letting it eat right off the line. All speculation but we now know it’s gonna trap like the GT should have (114-116 range) if the weaker Lyriq awd is throwing down 113s. That’s a safe bet in my book.

 

[Mach1E]

I’m pretty sure you know me well enough by now to know that a 3.6 vs a 3.8-4.0 0-60 doesn’t concern me in the least. I’m about mid and top end pull, 30-70, 30-90, 60-130 type stuff, as you know. I don’t do much light to light stuff. So, a luxury EV based on the same Ultium platform as the Blazer SS with much less HP/TQ running 12.9@113 with no launch mode trickery is significant, yes. That means the SS could feasibly run 12.5-12.6@115ish just due to the extra output alone, without engaging WOW mode. And, maybe WOW mode gets another 3-4 tenths by letting it eat right off the line. All speculation but we now know it’s gonna trap like the GT should have (114-116 range) if the weaker Lyriq awd is throwing down 113s. That’s a safe bet in my book.

We shall see.

Either way, it’s a bit premature to call this a win for GM and a loss for Ford. Let’s let the rubber hit the road first.

A real question will be how the GM “5 second equivalent” mode works. How much power does it have in regular mode?

I’ve tried to search the WTF mode for the Hummer EV and it seems GM is as good at hiding these details as Ford!

My guess? If it’s anything like the Hummer………the WOW mode is gonna be frustrating.

0-60 in 3.3 but only a 106 mph 1/4 mile trap speed? Sounds familiar to the GTPE.

https://www.caranddriver.com/gmc/hummer-ev#

WTF mode instructions- sounds like you really have to plan ahead and it only works from a stop (won’t help on a rolling race)-

https://www.gmc.com/support/vehicle/driving-safety/ev-driving/watts-to-freedom

 

[BigMach-E]

Such ridiculous, hand wringing drama. Drop the hammer while doing 65 and you’ll be doing 100 mph in

If ford had sense they should be offering a proper performance pack and offer it under performance ford there is no carb nonsense they have to worry about with an EV, just let the performance engineers go to town and offer upgraded power components and handling components needed.

Sure it would have been nice if it actually came like that from the factory, but that ship has long since sailed, the GT/GTPE is always going to be limited by the top speed compared the newer crop of performance EVs in this sector but enabling full power from the motors (no doubt battery charge % dependent) and fixing the wayward handling would be a good way to keep the GT/GTPE at least relevant and keep existent customers that care about performance on board.

I don’t know if the top speed is always going to be limited as it is. I think it’s currently governed, but that’s not the limitation that makes the GTPE a non-performance vehicle. It’s that if you are going 60, it takes 4+ seconds to get to 80. I know of no Mustang that has that issue, and no performance EV that has that issue.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

We shall see.

Either way, it’s a bit premature to call this a win for GM and a loss for Ford. Let’s let the rubber hit the road first.

A real question will be how the GM “5 second equivalent” mode works. How much power does it have in regular mode?

I’ve tried to search the WTF mode for the Hummer EV and it seems GM is as good at hiding these details as Ford!

My guess? If it’s anything like the Hummer………the WOW mode is gonna be frustrating.

0-60 in 3.3 but only a 106 mph 1/4 mile trap speed? Sounds familiar to the GTPE.

https://www.caranddriver.com/gmc/hummer-ev#

WTF mode instructions- sounds like you really have to plan ahead and it only works from a stop (won’t help on a rolling race)-

https://www.gmc.com/support/vehicle/driving-safety/ev-driving/watts-to-freedom

You’re right, we will see. I’m just betting that GM doesn’t let the Blazer SS shit the bed. And, the Hummer only traps 106 mph because it weighs 9000 lbs, so its power to weight ratio isn’t that great even with 1000hp.

 

[buzznwood]

I don’t know if the top speed is always going to be limited as it is. I think it’s currently governed, but that’s not the limitation that makes the GTPE a non-performance vehicle. It’s that if you are going 60, it takes 4+ seconds to get to 80. I know of no Mustang that has that issue, and no performance EV that has that issue.

The top speed is always going to limited by the revs and final drive gearing, the motors in the GTPE do not rev that high at 13800 hence the 124mph top speed, most performance EV have motors that rev in the 20000 rpm range, take the kia EV6 the base vehicles rev to around 15000 rpm while the motors used in the GT rev to 21000 rpm.

By performance standards 124mph is slow even by 1980s standards however I don't really think keeping the low top speed would be an issue it the vehicle would actually get to it in the time you would expect for a 480bhp AWD vehicle the fact is takes around 12 seconds to get from 0-100mph is laughable.

If given a choice of keeping the existing top speed and having full power and by that I mean the true 562hp combined power of both motors all the way up to the top speed of 124mph I would take that over a more realistic performance orientated top speed all day and everyday.

When it comes to high top speeds on an EV while useful for our German and Mexican highway cousins they are ultimately a bit pointless on the mach-e as the range will be pitiful and its not like you can just quickly fill up it back up. They starts to make more sense when you have 400+ miles of range or 800v charging speeds.

 

[Auto Motive]

Any for anyone that doesn't believe me, this is what 1000 amps (same current as GTPE) does to a kitchen knife and lawnmower blade:




Notice how it's glowing in less than 10 seconds. And the Mach-E busbar is smaller than that knife.

Shorting out a car battery is also going to be around 1000 amps:

My wifes non performance model Y beats my GTPE in the quarter mile doinging a 12.1 vs 12.678. Give me a break Ford! Help us out with 5 more seconds and please dont put this on a subscription service. Maybe Tesla could help your engineers out on a subscription service.....

 

[Kevin P]

Such ridiculous, hand wringing drama. Drop the hammer while doing 65 and you’ll be doing 100 mph in five seconds. Save it.

You don't seem to get the point. The issue is that EVERY other performance-marketed BEV will blow the doors off of the Mach E GT from a 50+ mph roll. Being "fast enough for you" is fine, but being behind all of its competitors is a black eye for Ford.

 

[BigMach-E]

You don't seem to get the point. The issue is that EVERY other performance-marketed BEV will blow the doors off of the Mach E GT from a 50+ mph roll. Being "fast enough for you" is fine, but being behind all of its competitors is a black eye for Ford.

Who is this referring to?

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