GT craving

[OON7]

For me, I wanted to upgrade for additional range from the SR Select so I looked for extended range Premiums, and GTs, and GTPEs. I liked the exterior of the GT and GTPE more so focused in on those. Then it was just a daily routine of checking. I checked multiple sites as dealers seem very inconsistent on where they post even if they are on all the sites (cars, autotrader, carguru, etc). Then I also checked some dealer sites directly as well.

I took two strategies, if the price wasn't marked up exorbitantly I reached out as soon as I saw them. Most were already sold or were pre-ordered and would be selling. If the ADM was high, I kept an eye on them and checked daily to see if movement. The one I found and bought dropped from 10k ADM to 5k before I reached out.

I personally was fine with a GT, actually thought I liked the wheels better (now my opinion has changed and love the GTPE wheels in person), but based on the crazy ADM dealers do the GTPE was cheaper than three other GTs I reached out on.

I'm glad I got the GTPE. I can't say how the GT rides but I know the GTPE rides so much better than my Select did, and I have to think the magneride has something to do with it. Of course all the other things were a great improvement too, including the sound system, interior, getting the interior lighting, the light up pony, and on and on. It may not feel like as big of a jump when coming from a Premium though.

This is by far the most expensive car I've owned, but I got back what I paid for my 21 Select in the trade and that was with 20k miles on it, I'll get a second $7,500 credit this year, and I know what I paid for my 22 even with the ADM is cheaper than a 23 GTPE so I don't feel bad about paying it. Considering I did not reserve either of my Mach-E's and got instant gratification from seeing and buying same day, I'm okay with the 5k ADM I paid. Others may see it differently but I'll sleep just fine!

The last thing I'll say is that it was really cool to buy the car on display in the showroom, that was another first for me. People in the dealership who were looking/buying had a lot of questions about the negatives of owning an EV as if they were warning me, but me pointing out I already had one and liked it enough to upgrade showed at least some of them their misconceptions may be off.

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[tesla2mme]

“I drove a GT and it felt slower…..”
Said no one ever.

It’s significantly faster, but only for 5 seconds at a time.

After 5 seconds, and not after a certain speedc too. If you saw my real world testing I I did last Friday, you’ll see that the 4X/nonGT is indeed faster after 70 MPH than the GT, based on other user data.

I’d love to run my GT head 2 head with a premium on the air strip to see how they each fare 0-max… so if someone in the bay or in NorCal wants to throw down, I’m game!!
But based on available data? The GT only gets the dig… and every 5 seconds, or a certain speed, it just loses to everything. Including the lower trim MMEs.

And that is pretty damn sad.

 

[tesla2mme]

As I had premium and now own the GT I can confirm this for sure. GT is faster from the start, but after 90 and close to 100 it’s starts to loose the power significantly. With premium once I hit 110 and didn’t noticed how this happened. With GT never did this again.

if you’ll see my testing verified with the Dragy module you will see the power drain occurs far, far short of 90 MPH.

your seat of the pants meter may say differently but in the real world the power drop off is more like 75 MPH.

I am pretty sure a premium is faster after 70 to max speed. As I said before I would love to line up a Premium next to
My GT and run them both on Dragy’s on the airstrip to see who makes it first to max speed, not just 1/4 mile… the pitifully low trap speed of the GT is indicative of its gelding issues after 5 seconds though.

 

[OON7]

if you’ll see my testing verified with the Dragy module you will see the power drain occurs far, far short of 90 MPH.

your seat of the pants meter may say differently but in the real world the power drop off is more like 75 MPH.

I am pretty sure a premium is faster after 70 to max speed. As I said before I would love to line up a Premium next to
My GT and run them both on Dragy’s on the airstrip to see who makes it first to max speed, not just 1/4 mile… the pitifully low trap speed of the GT is indicative of its gelding issues after 5 seconds though.

The biggest thing that I'm curious about, and maybe it has already been tested, is what if you don't full send the GT or GTPE, but go hard enough to still beat the 0-60 on the Premium. Would it still throttle at five seconds since not max power? Would probably be a little hard to figure out what that sweet spot is of being faster than the Premium but not going full power.

Unknown on the accuracy here but it looks like through the 1/4 mile the GTPE is still beating Premiums. https://www.0-60specs.com/ford/mustang-mach-e-0-60-times/

Edit: Well beating in seconds but not top speed, I should clarify.

 

[Mach1E]

After 5 seconds, and not after a certain speedc too. If you saw my real world testing I I did last Friday, you’ll see that the 4X/nonGT is indeed faster after 70 MPH than the GT, based on other user data.

I’d love to run my GT head 2 head with a premium on the air strip to see how they each fare 0-max… so if someone in the bay or in NorCal wants to throw down, I’m game!!
But based on available data? The GT only gets the dig… and every 5 seconds, or a certain speed, it just loses to everything. Including the lower trim MMEs.

And that is pretty damn sad.

I do appreciate the data, but it’s still inconclusive.

We are comparing an invalid test to an invalid test.

Your test (low charge) vs a fully charged premium going downhill.

Definitely not apples to apples.

A real heads up test at 70-100 mph, my bet is they’re dead even.

But that still sad that the cheaper less powerful car can keep up at any speed.

It’s a good thing it’s ridiculously faster at low speeds.

 

[Mach1E]

The biggest thing that I'm curious about, and maybe it has already been tested, is what if you don't full send the GT or GTPE, but go hard enough to still beat the 0-60 on the Premium. Would it still throttle at five seconds since not max power? Would probably be a little hard to figure out what that sweet spot is of being faster than the Premium but not going full power.

Unknown on the accuracy here but it looks like through the 1/4 mile the GTPE is still beating Premiums. https://www.0-60specs.com/ford/mustang-mach-e-0-60-times/

Edit: Well beating in seconds but not top speed, I should clarify.

Short answer? You can’t “trick” the 5 second limit.


Long answer- MANY things limit power in the GT.

time- 5 seconds from a stop
speed- power gets pulled at 72 mph plus (even if neutral down an incline, I tested this)
External Temperature- too hot too cold
Battery temp- Too hot too cold
Battery discharge over time- from speed or recent acceleration

But in a race from a dig, the GT crushes the premium to ANY distance. No need for tricks.

 

[dmitry]

if you’ll see my testing verified with the Dragy module you will see the power drain occurs far, far short of 90 MPH.

your seat of the pants meter may say differently but in the real world the power drop off is more like 75 MPH.

I am pretty sure a premium is faster after 70 to max speed. As I said before I would love to line up a Premium next to
My GT and run them both on Dragy’s on the airstrip to see who makes it first to max speed, not just 1/4 mile… the pitifully low trap speed of the GT is indicative of its gelding issues after 5 seconds though.

I’m agree with you about loosing power at nearly 75. I only forgot to mention that I describe not a drag racing. If I hit 80 and keep this speed some amount of time then want accelerating again, premium doing this faster and can hit higher speed then GT. In my scenario close to 100 GT is almost dead?

Here’s example of an ICE Toyota easy winning. Since then I never mess with Toyotas ?. In nearly the same situation the premium was the winner and ICE car driver gave up.

 

[OON7]

Short answer? You can’t “trick” the 5 second limit.


Long answer- MANY things limit power in the GT.

time- 5 seconds from a stop
speed- power gets pulled at 72 mph plus (even if neutral down an incline, I tested this)
External Temperature- too hot too cold
Battery temp- Too hot too cold
Battery discharge over time- from speed or recent acceleration

But in a race from a dig, the GT crushes the premium to ANY distance. No need for tricks.

Thanks! Really answered my question, now I can stop wondering! ?

 

[tesla2mme]

Short answer? You can’t “trick” the 5 second limit.


Long answer- MANY things limit power in the GT.

time- 5 seconds from a stop
speed- power gets pulled at 72 mph plus (even if neutral down an incline, I tested this)
External Temperature- too hot too cold
Battery temp- Too hot too cold
Battery discharge over time- from speed or recent acceleration

But in a race from a dig, the GT crushes the premium to ANY distance. No need for tricks.

I agree with you, except the last statement. I’m not convinced that in a max speed run, a premium won’t catch a GT once gelded mode is activated… since we haven’t had a max speed heads up from a dig yet in the forum, on Dragy, we don’t know.

but I’ll meet anyone in Patterson and we can run ‘em, legally, as fast as we can get from a dig. I’ll even buy lunch. It’s really fun out there and I’d love to get some head to head data!!!

 

[tesla2mme]

Not saying the GT doesn't cut power but it's not slower than the premium. Technically premium finishes the quarter mile at a higher speed, although within margin of error, but GT is over a second faster in the quarter mile.
Mustang Mach-E First Edition vs Mach-E GT Performance Edition - Drag Race - YouTube

that is 1/4 mile… I’d like a max speed run with no specific distance.

Since the GT cuts its juice so fast the premium should catch up and pass the GT.
The bottom line is that this shouldn’t even be a conversation. A v6 Mustang would never be compared to a v8 mustang of yore. The fact that the lower trim MMEs can even be CLOSE to beating a GT, or in fact beating it by speed but not ET, is really sad.

 

[Mach1E]

I agree with you, except the last statement. I’m not convinced that in a max speed run, a premium won’t catch a GT once gelded mode is activated… since we haven’t had a max speed heads up from a dig yet in the forum, on Dragy, we don’t know.

but I’ll meet anyone in Patterson and we can run ‘em, legally, as fast as we can get from a dig. I’ll even buy lunch. It’s really fun out there and I’d love to get some head to head data!!!

Nah, the premium would never catch up.

By 100 mph, the GT is 6-8 car lengths ahead. And then the premium hits top speed not much beyond that while the GT has a higher top speed.

Zero chance a premium would make up that kinda distance from 100 to 113 mph.

Just watch that 1/4 mile side by side video posted earlier. It’s not even remotely close.

Gotta remember that distance over time wins races, not trap speed.

Sure, they’re both going 100 mph at the 1/4 mile, but the GT gets there over a second faster. And a second in the 1/4 mile is a huge difference.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I am starting to NOT like the wheels(skinny wheels on my premium looks weird to me).
But then I am thinking, instead of spending money on wheels just upgrade to a GT(non PE) and I get what I want

A 4X can look rather decent:

 

[kkgg]

A 4X can look rather decent:

personally I am ok with the stock wheels(rims) , but not able to digest the skinny tiers - they should have been a 245 at-least. I am guessing, I can not fit tires wider than 225 to the stock wheels right

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Nah, the premium would never catch up.

By 100 mph, the GT is 6-8 car lengths ahead. And then the premium hits top speed not much beyond that while the GT has a higher top speed.

Zero chance a premium would make up that kinda distance from 100 to 113 mph.

Just watch that 1/4 mile side by side video posted earlier. It’s not even remotely close.

Gotta remember that distance over time wins races, not trap speed.

Sure, they’re both going 100 mph at the 1/4 mile, but the GT gets there over a second faster. And a second in the 1/4 mile is a huge difference.

None of this wrong except the never catch up part. The 4X hits 110 in 15.x seconds, the GT in 17.x seconds. It’ll get swallowed up on the big end, sure it’s after the 1/4 but it’ll happen. The GTs seem to hit 87-89mph in the 1/8th vs 82-83mph for the 4X, but, in the span of the next 1/8th mile (660ft) it gets to 101-103 depending on source vs 101-103+ for the 4X. And it gets worse for the GT after that. 4X gets to terminal velocity (113) in about 17 seconds and the Michigan State Police clocked the GT at 50+ seconds to 124 max speed. So it seems to be a see-saw battle if running them all the way out.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

personally I am ok with the stock wheels(rims) , but not able to digest the skinny tiers - they should have been a 245 at-least. I am guessing, I can not fit tires wider than 225 to the stock wheels right

Most 245/50-19s are approved for the OEM 19x7s. Just check the specifics on the tires you want.

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