Recall Information: High Voltage Battery Junction Box (23S56)

[Shayne]

Basically we are all waiting for enough parts to be manufactured that Ford informs dealers they can begin ordering parts and scheduling repairs. When that time comes we will be notified.

I guess after 2.5 years and limp mode software they did not have the time to gather the parts for their early adopters. Or it was their intent to leave all with only the software, have them limp to the dealer when the under designed hardware failed and leave their car there for a week or so waiting for parts. Hoping the design option that fixes the problem finally gets adopted. Find it a bit short sighted in the long run since this is breaking tech, bound to have a few problems and could become a large market. Problems happen, I never remember the problem just how those involved fixed it (or refused to).

May be someone can explain why these are not selling well and resale is the pits? At least mine now L2 charges like the pits for the last half a year now also. With more limp software now for our home charging it should boost resale back up and people should be dying to purchase this car once they understand how Ford fixes defective hardware.

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[hack-e]

If you get the HVBJB installed now, then the recall will disappear like it did for the rest of us with HVBJB replacements.

I don't suppose you have any idea how long it will take for the recall to disappear after having the HVBJB replaced? Mine was replaced about 3-4 weeks ago and the recall is still showing up online for my VIN.

And I wonder that if they remove the recall from my car, will they notify me that I can drive and charge normally again? The recall letter says to avoid wide open pedal accelerations and limit DC Fast Charging.

 

[RickMachE]

They willing to do all other recalls and not charge the customer for any labor or parts. A recall is a recall. Just like any other recall.
Ford replaced my Lightning's tailgate light bar twice. At a cool 3 grand a piece. What is the difference about the HVBJB. Waiting for it to fail completely.!!!

Reread the letter.

 

[RickMachE]

I don't suppose you have any idea how long it will take for the recall to disappear after having the HVBJB replaced? Mine was replaced about 3-4 weeks ago and the recall is still showing up online for my VIN.

And I wonder that if they remove the recall from my car, will they notify me that I can drive and charge normally again? The recall letter says to avoid wide open pedal accelerations and limit DC Fast Charging.

Fact - no part has been determined for the recall.

Therefore, your repair does not satisfy the recall.

 

[Nikos]

I don't suppose you have any idea how long it will take for the recall to disappear after having the HVBJB replaced? Mine was replaced about 3-4 weeks ago and the recall is still showing up online for my VIN.

And I wonder that if they remove the recall from my car, will they notify me that I can drive and charge normally again? The recall letter says to avoid wide open pedal accelerations and limit DC Fast Charging.

The recall will not disappear from your VIN. Don't be surprised if they ask you to bring your vehicle in to replace it again. I have gone through the same scenario with my Lightning's tailgate light bar. Replaced it back in March of this year and again last month. It satisfies the intent of the recall and your vehicle is no longer in list. The dealer charges Ford and the electricians at the dealer stay busy.
Some of us also have not satisfied the recall for the windshield and moon roof either. I have no issues and don't want to have my vehicle opened up like a sardine can unless I have an issue. So get ready for another HVBJB replacement.

 

[Mach-Lee]

I don't suppose you have any idea how long it will take for the recall to disappear after having the HVBJB replaced? Mine was replaced about 3-4 weeks ago and the recall is still showing up online for my VIN.

And I wonder that if they remove the recall from my car, will they notify me that I can drive and charge normally again? The recall letter says to avoid wide open pedal accelerations and limit DC Fast Charging.

Who knows. Some dealers don't submit their warranty paperwork for weeks after the repair, and Ford may only purge VINs every couple months.

If you just had it replaced, then drive and charge normally for gosh sake.

 

[RickMachE]

The recall will not disappear from your VIN. Don't be surprised if they ask you to bring your vehicle in to replace it again. I have gone through the same scenario with my Lightning's tailgate light bar. Replaced it back in March of this year and again last month. It satisfies the intent of the recall and your vehicle is no longer in list. The dealer charges Ford and the electricians at the dealer stay busy.
Some of us also have not satisfied the recall for the windshield and moon roof either. I have no issues and don't want to have my vehicle opened up like a sardine can unless I have an issue. So get ready for another HVBJB replacement.

The Lightbar recall didn't have parts until recently. Your March repair was likely due to excessive moisture, and was the same defective part. Otherwise, it shouldn't have been replaced.

As to the windshield and moonroof recall, I've said this before and I'll say it again. First, you aren't going to have any issue with them until it's too late. The roof can detach without warning, impacting vehicles behind you. It is NOT REMOVED during the procedure, it is simply resealed. The windshield is removed and then replaced, after the surface is properly prepared and new adhesive is applied. Windshields are an integral part of crash protection. Not doing this recall is simply unwise. A quality shop will do both with no evidence of either after they're done. My dealership had a glass shop do the work after they removed the headliner. They covered the entire interior in plastic, and cleanup was perfect.

 

[AKgrampy]

I don't suppose you have any idea how long it will take for the recall to disappear after having the HVBJB replaced? Mine was replaced about 3-4 weeks ago and the recall is still showing up online for my VIN.

And I wonder that if they remove the recall from my car, will they notify me that I can drive and charge normally again? The recall letter says to avoid wide open pedal accelerations and limit DC Fast Charging.

I have the original HVBJB and I am going to drive and charge as usual. Nothing has changed other that Ford is going to proactively replace the HVBJB. If it fails in the mean time I will just get the work done sooner. I think Ford has to say what they did because it is a safety recall (at least that is my opinion.)

 

[GT-Papa]

Hi, First time poster. Just purchased my 2021 GTPE last week knowing it had this upcoming recall. My car has 18K miles on it. I've read every word on every page of this thread to try and understand completely what the HVBJB recall is all about.
As a retired Quality Engineer I can calculate and understand many of the stats associated with the measurement of quality metrics. What I don't see (if it's out there, somebody point me in the right direction) is how many of the HVBJBs are expected to fail. Is it simply a function of time - mileage - WOT launches and that they will all eventually fail? Or will only 10% eventually fail? Or 50%? What does Ford say will be the eventual body count?

 

[Shayne]

Hi, First time poster. Just purchased my 2021 GTPE last week knowing it had this upcoming recall. My car has 18K miles on it. I've read every word on every page of this thread to try and understand completely what the HVBJB recall is all about.
As a retired Quality Engineer I can calculate and understand many of the stats associated with the measurement of quality metrics. What I don't see (if it's out there, somebody point me in the right direction) is how many of the HVBJBs are expected to fail. Is it simply a function of time - mileage - WOT launches and that they will all eventually fail? Or will only 10% eventually fail? Or 50%? What does Ford say will be the eventual body count?

You have read all these pages what did ford say . I believe it can be a progressive thing but no hard stats on that. Not sure if anyone independent other than a government body knows what you ask.

 

[kennethjk]

Hi, First time poster. Just purchased my 2021 GTPE last week knowing it had this upcoming recall. My car has 18K miles on it. I've read every word on every page of this thread to try and understand completely what the HVBJB recall is all about.
As a retired Quality Engineer I can calculate and understand many of the stats associated with the measurement of quality metrics. What I don't see (if it's out there, somebody point me in the right direction) is how many of the HVBJBs are expected to fail. Is it simply a function of time - mileage - WOT launches and that they will all eventually fail? Or will only 10% eventually fail? Or 50%? What does Ford say will be the eventual body count?

What Ford says?

remember sgt Schultz from Hogans Heroes! “I know nothing”

 

[HuntingPudel]

Hi, First time poster. Just purchased my 2021 GTPE last week knowing it had this upcoming recall. My car has 18K miles on it. I've read every word on every page of this thread to try and understand completely what the HVBJB recall is all about.
As a retired Quality Engineer I can calculate and understand many of the stats associated with the measurement of quality metrics. What I don't see (if it's out there, somebody point me in the right direction) is how many of the HVBJBs are expected to fail. Is it simply a function of time - mileage - WOT launches and that they will all eventually fail? Or will only 10% eventually fail? Or 50%? What does Ford say will be the eventual body count?

We don’t have any data for the expected failure rate. Ford has released zero information on that. All we can go by is the number of failures reported on the forum. There was a rash of them in 2021/2022, shortly before the stop ship and software “recall.” What we can say from empirical evidence is that the GT or GT-PE appears to have a substantially higher rate of failure than the AWD, which appears to have a substantially higher failure rate than an RWD (which is logical based on the amount of power that each has to handle). ??

Failures have been correlated to WOT and DCFC, but there have been failures where a car has never DCFC’d. My SVS happened after a mild drive to the freeway then a 3/4 throttle entrance to the freeway. The SSN I got was while sitting in line at the dealer listening to the radio (boy, that radio must suck down the juice!). The SVS does not necessarily indicate a failure, but rather the factors being present that indicate that a failure is likely. An SSN pretty much is an indication that something has failed. ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

What Ford says?

remember sgt Schultz from Hogans Heroes! “I know nothing”

Yeah, but for a streudel he would spill the beans. I doubt Ford will be spilling any beans, but is you provide a bucket of sand, I bet you’d see them bury their collective heads in it. ??

 

[Shayne]

What Ford says?

remember sgt Schultz from Hogans Heroes! “I know nothing”

 

[AKgrampy]

Hi, First time poster. Just purchased my 2021 GTPE last week knowing it had this upcoming recall. My car has 18K miles on it. I've read every word on every page of this thread to try and understand completely what the HVBJB recall is all about.
As a retired Quality Engineer I can calculate and understand many of the stats associated with the measurement of quality metrics. What I don't see (if it's out there, somebody point me in the right direction) is how many of the HVBJBs are expected to fail. Is it simply a function of time - mileage - WOT launches and that they will all eventually fail? Or will only 10% eventually fail? Or 50%? What does Ford say will be the eventual body count?

As others have noted there has been no data released but Ford indicates DCFC and WOT’s as causes. Personally I do not believe that is the root cause in this case but this is only speculation. To me it appears the original contactors met minimum requirements and many may have not met manufacturing tolerances. Over time the internal resistance increased and eventually it led to failure. Many of the failures were discovered during a DCFC but I believe that was only because they had stopped their vehicles and could not restart them. The first recall for the HVBJB resulted in a software patch that was supposed to detect potential HVBJB failure and throw a SVS error versus the previous actual failure of the HVBJB and a SSN event. The reason for the current recall is owners were still having SSN events (107 reported) and reported them to the NHTSA so now Ford was compelled to change out all HVBJB’s on cars produced before May 25 2022. What I find interesting still is the number of SVS errors for HVBJB’s manufactured after that date and what that may mean going forward. Personally I own a 22 GT with 16,000 miles and original HVBJB.

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