Tesla Slashes Prices

[theduke]

Again, I’m not applying the rules unevenly to Tesla and Musk. I’m criticizing all manufacturers who did this.

And yeah, rabbit hole, auto dealers are also on my personal “you did the people wrong these last few years” list. And they have the record profits to show for it.

You keep talking about 2023 and the current price cuts as evidence.

But that’s all YEARS after the things I’m criticizing Tesla for. I’m talking about what was done in 2021 and years prior.

If you’re on trial for kicking a dog in 2021, the fact that you adopted two dogs in 2023 is irrelevant.

Again, no. Everyone raised prices in 2021/2022.

Singling out Tesla is inherently biased in that regard. Are you also standing in front of your local Ford dealer yelling at them for their past 20k "market adjustment" on the MME? I have my doubts.

You are somehow trying to convince us that it was wrong for Tesla to adjust prices upward when inflation went up, and make us think that was Tesla grifting people because of the IRA, which had not gone into effect.

Again, I post the image below, which shows not just prices increasing with inflation, but that price accelerating during the time you mention. Average new car prices went from ~$38k in 2020 to $48k by the end of 2022 (25%+ increase). The FACT is that inflation was pushing up prices. As someone previously mentioned, it had nothing to do with the IRA (beyond the fact that the Gov was throwing money at everything - shock that we now have inflation, right?).

As Tesla's costs have continued to drop, they have dropped prices. Most other manufs have been very hesitant to follow suit on that. That, by your own metrics, should make Tesla more trustworthy than everyone else, not less.

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[Scooby24]

Don't you guys at some point just get exhausted arguing back and forth with people on the internet?

 

[roamtheworld]

Don't you guys at some point just get exhausted arguing back and forth with people on the internet?

I prefer the term LIVELY debate

Tapped out of this one now if that makes you feel better Scooby24 ?

 

[superdave80]

Blowing up $3 billion rockets in a test is a failure.

Yep, Edison should have declared failure and stop trying to make the electric light-bulb when the first one immediately burned out...

“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” - Thomas A. Edison

 

[RedStallion]

Gee, do you think he might have been lying? Trying to line his pockets at the expense of gullible car buyers and stock investors?

Nah, that's just crazy talk. Forget I said anything.

I personally knew a person long time ago who was, let's say, inventing stuff telling incredible stories to people so persuasively that many were giving him money to do business with, and one girl almost married him before she found out that everything was a lie.
The funny thing, he himself actually believed everything he was telling and was totally in denial when confronted. I concluded that must have been a medical condition.

 

[MacherAWD]

It takes about a week to get used to it when I got a MY. If you really think about it, the only info you really need is the current speed and that's displayed on the left upper part of the screen on the Tesla.

The benefit of not having the display right in front of you is that you have a clearer view of the road and the air vents blow cold or warm air right at you vs from the sides.

If you really want a driver screen, there are aftermarket solution that looks OEM and is plug and play. Not expensive either. About $500.

https://www.rpmtesla.com/products/t...art-instrument-cluster?variant=40591799975990

no affiliation. Just one example.

I am sorry this is just fanboy blindness. On the 3 and Y the owners say "you get used to it, its better" then Tesla adds the driver screen to the X and S because they are the higher end models not the cheap ones they cut features on. Do you go on the Tesla forums and argue the S and X are outdated, or unnecessary? Can Tesla fans please just be honest. Radar, driver screen, 360 camera, cross traffic sensors, all of this costs money and on lower end cars you miss out on some features.

 

[MacherAWD]

Lots of neighbors and friends have Y and moved over from "normal" cars and they have told me they are comfortable with single screen now. I still like the MachE driver screen a lot.

Driver screen is a luxury, Tesla S and X have them, like our Mach-E, Premium cars have them. They were cut on the Y and 3 to save money. You can also get used to cloth seats, crank windows....

 

[Mach1E]

Yep, Edison should have declared failure and stop trying to make the electric light-bulb when the first one immediately burned out...

“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” - Thomas A. Edison

Never said to stop trying.

Just that when you cheer when a rocket explodes you look like a crazy person.

Many inventors and innovators are crazy.

Unfortunately some of the same “never give up, never accept a no” attitudes that make them “great” also make them horrible people to deal with or work for.

 

[Mach1E]

Again, no. Everyone raised prices in 2021/2022.

Singling out Tesla is inherently biased in that regard. Are you also standing in front of your local Ford dealer yelling at them for their past 20k "market adjustment" on the MME? I have my doubts.

You are somehow trying to convince us that it was wrong for Tesla to adjust prices upward when inflation went up, and make us think that was Tesla grifting people because of the IRA, which had not gone into effect.

Again, I post the image below, which shows not just prices increasing with inflation, but that price accelerating during the time you mention. Average new car prices went from ~$38k in 2020 to $48k by the end of 2022 (25%+ increase). The FACT is that inflation was pushing up prices. As someone previously mentioned, it had nothing to do with the IRA (beyond the fact that the Gov was throwing money at everything - shock that we now have inflation, right?).

As Tesla's costs have continued to drop, they have dropped prices. Most other manufs have been very hesitant to follow suit on that. That, by your own metrics, should make Tesla more trustworthy than everyone else, not less.

Again, I’ve said multiple times Ford did this too.

And again, 2021 wasn’t the IRA, it was the Build back better Act.

And the prior increase (then drop when the credits ran out) were from the original tax credit law.

I think we’ve said all the things that can be said. Clearly you can’t accept any criticism of any kind about Musk and Tesla and somehow think I’m picking on him and defending other manufacturers……. Which I’m not.

When Ford screws up, I’m very critical of Ford.

When Tesla screws up it’s “a learning experience,” when they significantly raise prices it’s just “market conditions.”

When ADMs and huge MSRP increases happen here we throw a fit. At Tesla they praise the all knowing leader for his wisdom.

 

[Auto Motive]

Christ almighty. So the competition now needs to figure out how to cut their own manufacturing costs by 20-30%...when their margins were already a fraction of Tesla's.

This is going to kill the EV market...

Not so fast. My wife's GTPE is awesome an

Yes.

It’s one thing to take government help for the greater good because it’s needed (save the planet etc).

It’s an entirely different thing to abuse the system to become one of the richest people on the planet.

I don’t think the richest man in America needs to get any more of our tax money.

My wife has a GTPE and I just bought a Tesla model y AWD long range. Best experience in ordering a car in 50 years. Test drive was in a 20 mile y. Gray with custom black wheels. $52860 plus tax and $7500 Tax credit. I was pleasantly surprised on size and room. Screen easy to use for everything. Regen like the mach e and lots of power. 330 miles range for trips and super charged availability. Delivery in late May June.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I am sorry this is just fanboy blindness. On the 3 and Y the owners say "you get used to it, its better" then Tesla adds the driver screen to the X and S because they are the higher end models not the cheap ones they cut features on. Do you go on the Tesla forums and argue the S and X are outdated, or unnecessary? Can Tesla fans please just be honest. Radar, driver screen, 360 camera, cross traffic sensors, all of this costs money and on lower end cars you miss out on some features.

I have both, a MachE and a MY. Just because something is different doesn't mean it's worse. I never said that it was better either. But There are advantages to it. I myself don't find that I miss speedometer right in front of me. I actually like the air blowing right at me versus on the side. Some honda and toyota had their speedometers in the middle bin and not in front of the driver.

I wish Tesla had 360 cameras, cross traffic sensors. Not necessary, but would be nice. on my 22GTPE, I had to pay extra for the 360cameras. Would of bought it if it was an option on the TESLA. Tesla also has cameras for Blind spot monitoring versus the light on the mirrors. I prefer the light versus the video feed on the Tesla.

Teslas are not perfect. A lot of their design choices are due to manufacturing and cost. Like all manufacturers. I'm ok with their compromises and choices. That's why they can build so many and a lower cost.

Unfortunately you think that anyone that give a positive option on Tesla is a Fanboy. This Is counter productive and leads to tribalism.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Not so fast. My wife's GTPE is awesome an
My wife has a GTPE and I just bought a Tesla model y AWD long range. Best experience in ordering a car in 50 years. Test drive was in a 20 mile y. Gray with custom black wheels. $52860 plus tax and $7500 Tax credit. I was pleasantly surprised on size and room. Screen easy to use for everything. Regen like the mach e and lots of power. 330 miles range for trips and super charged availability. Delivery in late May June.

If you got the LR, do yourself a favor and pay the $2000 for the power upgrade. Worth every penny.

 

[RickMachE]

I was looking at a graph today, and was unclear if it was Tesla car prices, or Tesla's stock price, then realized they are near identical... ?

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Driver screen is a luxury, Tesla S and X have them, like our Mach-E, Premium cars have them. They were cut on the Y and 3 to save money. You can also get used to cloth seats, crank windows....

I actually prefer the MY setup to my MME GT setup. Because I find the MME driver screen to be useless. I prefer the uncluttered view over the dash and vents blowing directly at you.

before you knock something, you should honestly try it. I was surprised about how much I like the setup. It was one of my biggest concern before I bought the MY. Love the cold air blowing right at you versus from the tiny vents on the side like most car set up.

Now with my previous Manual ICE car with the tach, I would find the driver instrument cluster to be indispensable.

It's ok to have different opinions. We don't all to agree.

 

[MacherAWD]

I actually prefer the MY setup to my MME GT setup. Because I find the MME driver screen to be useless. I prefer the uncluttered view over the dash and vents blowing directly at you.

before you knock something, you should honestly try it. I was surprised about how much I like the setup. It was one of my biggest concern before I bought the MY. Love the cold air blowing right at you versus from the tiny vents on the side like most car set up.

Now with my previous Manual ICE car with the tach, I would find the driver instrument cluster to be indispensable.

It's ok to have different opinions. We don't all to agree.

I have driven a Y, I have driven many prius with the moved over display. I agree we dont need to agree and appreciate that you have both and can state actual preference. What gets VERY tiring is seeing Tesla Fanboys jump on EVERY post and scream "tesla removed the driver screen because it is better without it, its the future, its why the Tesla is better" but then dont acknowledge it was done to save money or even acknowledge that an X and S have them.

So again a Tesla has less features and cost less, if Tesla people just admit that I am fine. Personally I would say the same about your GT vs my Select, your GT cost more and I have less features, but I am not arguing all over the internet that the Select is better, "the extra power was unnecessary and it was a future move to remove it in the select."

Maybe my response going forward will be "If I made less money I would drive a Tesla..."

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