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Yes, I look at it as we all help each other.
 

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Thanks... That is reassuring. I will be getting mine in Summer, so I suspect 232 in cold weather will mean close to EPA predicted range in summer.
It is funny. I just got a Ford pass update saying that for now you need to reset the odometer rating regularly until you have enough miles so that the car can learn your driving habits.

I learned that here yesterday. Upon charging again last night at 100% it went from the 232 to 241.
 

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It is funny. I just got a Ford pass update saying that for now you need to reset the odometer rating regularly until you have enough miles so that the car can learn your driving habits.
If you keep resetting it, it will never learn your driving habits.
 

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I highly recommend also mapping the route with abetterrouteplanner to compare the charging stops. Ford's NAV does not have a bias toward faster chargers the way ABRP does, although at this point EA's chargers aren't performing all that well anyway.
And personally, I'll be going a step further than that by researching every charging station I plan to use ahead of time. The EA ones are pretty consistent with power and price, so I'm not as concerned about those. But any planned stops at non-EA chargers are a crap-shoot for power levels and pricing. I'm frequently checking PlugShare and ChargePoint for more detail when ABRP recommends a charging stop.

And even bigger crap-shoot is destination chargers (like hotels). Finding info on them (power, price, quantity, controlled access) is sometimes a real chore.

I sure wouldn't rely on FordPass alone to just lead me. It's probably a decent starting point but too much unknown for me not to pre-verify each (non-EA) charger.
 


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- The Forum gets the info from Ford
- Dealership and Ford Help personnel get their info from Ford internal communications groups.
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Something that needs improvement, for sure.
My guess is that between the MME being new, most dealers not having a huge volume, and there being so many models to keep track of, not all the information being sent by Ford is being processed at the dealers.

Here we are focused on one vehicle, so all the information (and then some) which is sent is received and processed.
 

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And personally, I'll be going a step further than that by researching every charging station I plan to use ahead of time.
It would be crazy not to do this. Takes very little time, assuming what you mean by "research" is clicking on the reports and taking a look.

My guess is the biggest difference would be that people would try to make as few stops as possible, whereas the route planners will know that more stops will be faster because of the charge curves.
 

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My guess is that between the MME being new, most dealers not having a huge volume, and there being so many models to keep track of, not all the information being sent by Ford is being processed at the dealers.

Here we are focused on one vehicle, so all the information (and then some) which is sent is received and processed.
Only one thing to point out there...Ford has significantly reduced the amount of models they now produce. I'm not sure being able to track the amount of vehicles a dealer has should be a discount to them. That is their main function as a 'dealer'. They should be experts in EVERY model they carry, in my view.

I would never give a dealer a pass on not knowing enough about the vehicle they sell. Sorry, this isn't like a CARMAX we're talking about.
 

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My guess is the biggest difference would be that people would try to make as few stops as possible, whereas the route planners will know that more stops will be faster because of the charge curves.
Depends. Right now it's hard to make a case that it matters a lot in the MME unless you charge over 80%. There's a huge drop there so that should be avoided (but usually people don't charge above 80% on DCFC anyway). Few people seem to have gotten the MME into the 100+ kW range yet. Some of that appears to be cold-related, but the jury is still out on being able to get faster charging by stopping at (say) 60% in the MME vs continuing on to 80%.

Time will tell whether we find a serious "sweet spot" in the MME charging curve.
 
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And personally, I'll be going a step further than that by researching every charging station I plan to use ahead of time. The EA ones are pretty consistent with power and price, so I'm not as concerned about those. But any planned stops at non-EA chargers are a crap-shoot for power levels and pricing. I'm frequently checking PlugShare and ChargePoint for more detail when ABRP recommends a charging stop.

And even bigger crap-shoot is destination chargers (like hotels). Finding info on them (power, price, quantity, controlled access) is sometimes a real chore.

I sure wouldn't rely on FordPass alone to just lead me. It's probably a decent starting point but too much unknown for me not to pre-verify each (non-EA) charger.
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And personally, I'll be going a step further than that by researching every charging station I plan to use ahead of time. The EA ones are pretty consistent with power and price, so I'm not as concerned about those. But any planned stops at non-EA chargers are a crap-shoot for power levels and pricing. I'm frequently checking PlugShare and ChargePoint for more detail when ABRP recommends a charging stop.

And even bigger crap-shoot is destination chargers (like hotels). Finding info on them (power, price, quantity, controlled access) is sometimes a real chore.

I sure wouldn't rely on FordPass alone to just lead me. It's probably a decent starting point but too much unknown for me not to pre-verify each (non-EA) charger.
On Ford Pass I limited chargers to both EA and ChargePoint. You can select every kind and even free but I am staying with ones that appear to be large and a recommended vendor so I can use my $250 dollars or whatever it is. I did find out that I have to sign up with the EA plus plan for $4 monthly to get the cheapest rates.
 

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Question. I tried that but does it have real world accurate info on when to stop??? There is a problem with ford pass in that to do ALL of the functions like even key use apple car play has to be disconnected.
I'm not sure what you mean. If you use the ABRP APP on your phone it can take into account realtime charger status while driving, but I don't believe it can get realtime status of your car's SOC. I also don't know if the APP is carplay compatible or not; I don't have an iphone.

I was more suggesting that you map out your route ahead of time with ABRP, and compare it to the plan mapped out by Ford's NAV. I would then follow @dbsb3233's suggestion and look at what's available at each charge stop to decide where you want to do longer meal stops vs shorter bio break stops. The good thing about ABRP is that you can set departure times as well, so you can schedule the stops with better meal choices for meal times. The only problem is that ABRP models the chargers as behaving themselves and charging at proper speeds without issues, which probably will not be the case. But, you can add extra time at the waypoints by overriding the departure times to compensate/add padding.

I haven't driven my MME much yet, and I haven't played with the NAV very much but I do know for sure that it treats all DCFC the same and doesn't prioritize by power. I'm not sure if there's a way to push the plan from ABRP to the NAV as waypoints, but worst case is old school typing in of waypoints by hand before you head out.
 

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On Ford Pass I limited chargers to both EA and ChargePoint. You can select every kind and even free but I am staying with ones that appear to be large and a recommended vendor so I can use my $250 dollars or whatever it is. I did find out that I have to sign up with the EA plus plan for $4 monthly to get the cheapest rates.
Yep. 250 kWh free (~$100 on EA). After you use that up, it's unclear exactly what happens. We're still trying to get an answer from Ford on whether FordPass will pick up that discounted EA Pass+ rate automatically or not. You may be one of the first to test it.

It's also complicated by Plug&Charge, which just automatically starts charging at EA when you plug in (when working). After you use up your free 250 kWh, be sure to note which rate you're paying. I fear it may not pick up your Pass+ discount. At that point, maybe you'll have to end that charge session and manually start a session by credit card or something? Unknown territory yet.
 

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And personally, I'll be going a step further than that by researching every charging station I plan to use ahead of time. The EA ones are pretty consistent with power and price, so I'm not as concerned about those. But any planned stops at non-EA chargers are a crap-shoot for power levels and pricing. I'm frequently checking PlugShare and ChargePoint for more detail when ABRP recommends a charging stop.

And even bigger crap-shoot is destination chargers (like hotels). Finding info on them (power, price, quantity, controlled access) is sometimes a real chore.

I sure wouldn't rely on FordPass alone to just lead me. It's probably a decent starting point but too much unknown for me not to pre-verify each (non-EA) charger.
Plugshare is starting a new trip planner. I find the reviews and the fact that it has chargers I need mapped that ABRP does not it just works better for me and do not use ABRP too much planning. I think ABRP may show up in apple auto not sure. The planning is half the fun.
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