EV6 Vs MME

[hitchhiker]

So I just traded my Mach-e Premium AWD for an EV6 GT-Line. Yup, mine was a job 1, but up until the past week I've had zero issues or complaints. This past week it keeps forgetting my climate settings and turning climate control off entirely when powering on the car. Fun in Maine winter! Also my auto high beams inexplicably stopped working. I think the car sensed something was up!

But seriously I've been extremely satisfied with the Mach-e. Once I started looking into the EV6 though, I started thinking seriously about a trade. When they valued my trade at $3k over what I had paid (purchase price minus tax credit that is) I went for it. Others have already pretty much covered my reasons.... 800V, heat pump, various gadgetry, sunroof, tow rated, styling, etc.

So I probably won't be stopping in much any more. I haven't been too vocal on here, but at least I was able to help a few of you get your wireless working.

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[Toreus]

So I just traded my Mach-e Premium AWD for an EV6 GT-Line. Yup, mine was a job 1, but up until the past week I've had zero issues or complaints. This past week it keeps forgetting my climate settings and turning climate control off entirely when powering on the car. Fun in Maine winter! Also my auto high beams inexplicably stopped working. I think the car sensed something was up!

But seriously I've been extremely satisfied with the Mach-e. Once I started looking into the EV6 though, I started thinking seriously about a trade. When they valued my trade at $3k over what I had paid (purchase price minus tax credit that is) I went for it. Others have already pretty much covered my reasons.... 800V, heat pump, various gadgetry, sunroof, tow rated, styling, etc.

So I probably won't be stopping in much any more. I haven't been too vocal on here, but at least I was able to help a few of you get your wireless working.

Obligatory new car pic:

Congrats! In a lot of ways it's seems to be the superior choice. At a minimum, Ford needs to find a way to match the E-GMP fast charge times. That's a game changing difference for a lot of folks. Enjoy your new ride.

 

[lawman1108]

I drove this car on Saturday 3/12/22 it feels cheap inside and it does not drive better than the MME . It looks better in photos than it does in person, again it feels cheap. The $12,000 ADM is a deal breaker too. EV6 wind RWD .... The Inioq 5 is better than this car and that one has an awful dash & it looks like a 1980's Mazda hatchback ..... MME premium FTW

 

[ChasingCoral]

So I just traded my Mach-e Premium AWD for an EV6 GT-Line. Yup, mine was a job 1, but up until the past week I've had zero issues or complaints. This past week it keeps forgetting my climate settings and turning climate control off entirely when powering on the car. Fun in Maine winter! Also my auto high beams inexplicably stopped working. I think the car sensed something was up!

But seriously I've been extremely satisfied with the Mach-e. Once I started looking into the EV6 though, I started thinking seriously about a trade. When they valued my trade at $3k over what I had paid (purchase price minus tax credit that is) I went for it. Others have already pretty much covered my reasons.... 800V, heat pump, various gadgetry, sunroof, tow rated, styling, etc.

So I probably won't be stopping in much any more. I haven't been too vocal on here, but at least I was able to help a few of you get your wireless working.

Obligatory new car pic:

Congratulations. It's great to see so many good, new BEVs coming to market!

 

[Ma9573]

I stopped by a Kia dealer today to check out the EV6. It gets a lot of hate for the rear end, and rightfully so, but I really liked the interior space and the display setups. Way better use of space than the Polestar 2 I have that it would be replacing - and it had two cup holders and an actual center console!!! Still can't believe the way Polestar designed the interior of the 2 ?‍

We'll need our cars to be a little larger with a baby on the way (my wife drives the Mach E GT as her daily driver).

Had a pretty funny exchange with the Kia sales guy after I acted shocked at the $6k markup on the 3 Wind AWD and 2 GT RWD they had in stock, and $5k on the lower trim model.

Basically:

I said: "Oh damn, $6k markup? Really?"
He said: "Well it used to be $10k."
I said: "Yeah, and that's why you still have 6 on your small lot."
He said: "Haha"

I basically walked off and told him to call me if the got in a GT that wasn't in red, and without markup. Pretty sure I'll never hear from him again ??

 

[jetermeyer]

I stopped by a Kia dealer today to check out the EV6. It gets a lot of hate for the rear end, and rightfully so, but I really liked the interior space and the display setups. Way better use of space than the Polestar 2 I have that it would be replacing - and it had two cup holders and an actual center console!!! Still can't believe the way Polestar designed the interior of the 2 ?‍

We'll need our cars to be a little larger with a baby on the way (my wife drives the Mach E GT as her daily driver).

Had a pretty funny exchange with the Kia sales guy after I acted shocked at the $6k markup on the 3 Wind AWD and 2 GT RWD they had in stock, and $5k on the lower trim model.

Basically:

I said: "Oh damn, $6k markup? Really?"
He said: "Well it used to be $10k."
I said: "Yeah, and that's why you still have 6 on your small lot."
He said: "Haha"

I basically walked off and told him to call me if the got in a GT that wasn't in red, and without markup. Pretty sure I'll never hear from him again ??

Burlington MA dealer had 3 In Line EV6. 2 had 10K markup and 1 had 20K mark up. Other local dealers didn't have any.

 

[Ma9573]

Burlington MA dealer had 3 In Line EV6. 2 had 10K markup and 1 had 20K mark up. Other local dealers didn't have any.

I'll have to check around the Bay, but I'm pretty sure the dealers here are marking up all EVs due to the demand

 

[DrJay32]

Just for giggles I punched in a VIN into USAA for an insurance quote, and the EV6 came out over 20% higher than a MME Premium E4x... and it didn't matter which model I selected for the Kia. Weird.

 

[Blue highway]

Congrats! In a lot of ways it's seems to be the superior choice. At a minimum, Ford needs to find a way to match the E-GMP fast charge times. That's a game changing difference for a lot of folks. Enjoy your new ride.

Charge speed is because of the 800v architecture in the Kia. The MME is a 400v system. At the same C rating, an 800v system charges at twice the speed (kW) of a 400v system.

I haven't heard if Ford expects to make a change, but I expect they will in the next design generation.

 

[silverelan]

I haven't heard if Ford expects to make a change, but I expect they will in the next design generation.

Darren Palmer had claimed late last year that the MME’s charging would be improved with the charge cliff removal and faster charging. So far, the 80% cliff has been softened and the 10-80% curve smoothed out but the time has not gotten any better.

MME 10-80% still takes 41-45 mins after the 21P22 update. To be more competitive with other 400v EVs, it should be closer to 30 minutes. If properly conditioned, the EV6 will wipe the floor with the MME.

I haven’t seen a good 70mph range test in the EV6 AWD but InsideEVs got 286mi in the 4X.

 

[Regularmache]

These Job 1 horror stories sound like the endless glitches I experienced with my ID.4. I can see why you folks traded it for an EV6 - which I loved in my test drives but was unwilling to pay $10K+ markup for. I'm also waiting for all of the early EV6 glitches to be fixed - like zombie mode and colgating/warmgating (can't use HVAC with charging or it slows down charging)

Separately, I experienced none of the issues above with my Job 2 build. No cluster buzz, no real lag, had two keys, had BlueCruise functional, no power losses (that happened to my ID.4!) etc. Maybe it's best to be a "late" adopter sometimes.

Job 1 First Edition MME and havent had any issues. 14 months into ownership and all is good except BlueCruise not enabled and the windshield and Pano roof glass recall, which we didn't do. I'm a private broker, negotiating numerous Vehicle buys yearly. One orthopedic surgeon was getting his 4th BMW X3 Lease. Negotiated and on delivery and pickup day he calls and said there's a $1,350 fee for him not doing one of the recommended service trips on the trade.
He sent them a check for the Missed service and told me to tell relay they can forget the new lease. I had him drive a Hyundai Santa-Fe Limited and told me have it delivered, he was sold.
I just bought his second one a few months ago for the his wife, he's completely satisfied. So Kia and Hyundai's aren't what they we're 15 years ago, I say go for an EV6 if it appeals to you. Our FE MachE will be replaced with MME GT in production now as the materials and fit and finish as well as styling and cargo space are more appealing bro is than the EV6 we drove. Nice vehicle overall though.

 

[AZBill]

Charge speed is because of the 800v architecture in the Kia. The MME is a 400v system. At the same C rating, an 800v system charges at twice the speed (kW) of a 400v system.

No, at the same current it charges at twice the rate, but all the cells are at the same C rating.

Example, if you charge 100 cells at 200kw and 400V, the charger will be pushing 500A. Each cell will be charged at 2kw.

If you charge at 800V, the current from the charger will be 250A and each of the 100 cells will still be charged at 2kw.

If each battery of 100 cells is rated at 100kw, then both batteries are being charged at 2C rate. Each cell represents the limit for the C rating, not the voltage used to charge the entire battery. In all cases the individual cells cannot be charged at greater than 4.2V. In a 400V system more cells are in parallel and in 800V more cells are in series.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

this is interesting:

 

[Blue highway]

No, at the same current it charges at twice the rate, but all the cells are at the same C rating.

Example, if you charge 100 cells at 200kw and 400V, the charger will be pushing 500A. Each cell will be charged at 2kw.

If you charge at 800V, the current from the charger will be 250A and each of the 100 cells will still be charged at 2kw.

If each battery of 100 cells is rated at 100kw, then both batteries are being charged at 2C rate. Each cell represents the limit for the C rating, not the voltage used to charge the entire battery. In all cases the individual cells cannot be charged at greater than 4.2V. In a 400V system more cells are in parallel and in 800V more cells are in series.

I think your statements are generally correct, but you missed the main point.

The point of using 800v systems is largely because chargers and to some extend motors are current limited. Because of wire size economics and I squared R losses, If you can only push 400A, you want to do that using a higher voltage. If you double the voltage for a given current, you double the KW. This is why 800v systems charge faster than 400v systems.

 

[voxel]

Job 1 First Edition MME and havent had any issues. 14 months into ownership and all is good except BlueCruise not enabled and the windshield and Pano roof glass recall, which we didn't do. I'm a private broker, negotiating numerous Vehicle buys yearly. One orthopedic surgeon was getting his 4th BMW X3 Lease. Negotiated and on delivery and pickup day he calls and said there's a $1,350 fee for him not doing one of the recommended service trips on the trade.
He sent them a check for the Missed service and told me to tell relay they can forget the new lease. I had him drive a Hyundai Santa-Fe Limited and told me have it delivered, he was sold.
I just bought his second one a few months ago for the his wife, he's completely satisfied. So Kia and Hyundai's aren't what they we're 15 years ago, I say go for an EV6 if it appeals to you. Our FE MachE will be replaced with MME GT in production now as the materials and fit and finish as well as styling and cargo space are more appealing bro is than the EV6 we drove. Nice vehicle overall though.

Kia has a bad rep but some of it is deserved and some not (long time Soul owner). They have serious paint issues currently and Kia dealers have been very reluctant to replace the recalled engines. I think the engines need to burn a quart of oil every 3000 miles before replacement but many engines just burn a shy less than that. These engines are Hyundai designed/built ones of course.

The appeal of Kia to me was they were always a bit different. Hyundai would never have released the Soul, Soul EV, K5, Stinger... or EV6. Look at the Telluride vs. Palisade also.

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