Traded Tesla Model Y for Mach-E GTP - a Comparison

[Jimrpa]

Ah, that does help a LOT. Also learning that a shortcut below CarPlay showing current audio at least gets you to the radio presets. Hey, that’s a start! I was about to install the SiriusXM app to view/select/stream from CarPlay.

Be warned - the version of SiriusXM that is available on CarPlay is NOT what you get with iPhone. It is an abominable text-based piece of junk. Frankly, it’s so bad that I still use the SiriusXM receiver on the few occasions I use CarPlay.

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[Carsinmyblood]

Tesla is becoming more and more the VW Beetle of the 2000's. They're everywhere, they get the job done, they're nothing to look at and owners forgive their faults with cult-like loyalty.

 

[bburk00]

I'm doing the exact same thing. Replacing my Tesla MYP for an IBSM GTPE. Just waiting on it to be delivered to the dealership. We already have a CG First Edition MME and the build quality is much better than my MYP.

 

[ZuleMME]

I'm doing the exact same thing. Replacing my Tesla MYP for an IBSM GTPE. Just waiting on it to be delivered to the dealership. We already have a CG First Edition MME and the build quality is much better than my MYP.

Hilariously my wife's MYP we picked up about a month ago was extremely well built. I suppose I'm just lucky but we have zero issues. None. Well, they gave us summer tires instead of all-season. That sucked. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit I've been seriously considering ordering myself a model 3 performance to replace the Mach-E as a result of my experience with her Y and it's build and features. Would be so much easier to stay calm with the MME if Ford would do half the stuff they say they will. Heck, Just adding a charge rate bit of text to the dash would be a nice gesture of changes coming. But they seem to be doing about nothing other than working on "paid" features. Thats right, bluecruise (which I admit they rolled out) is to be a PAID feature and thus the only reason I feel they put the effort into it.

 

[bburk00]

I suppose I'm just lucky but we have zero issues. None. Well, they gave us summer tires instead of all-season.

This is my second MYP. The first was built better but had tons of creaking all over. The plastic on the B pillar wouldn't stay on. There was an occlusion in the rearview mirror that they wouldn't fix. The glass on the B pillar cameras kept fogging up and blocking the vision of the camera.

The one I'm trading in, I just got in March of this year. It had 2 huge gouges in the metal, one by the hood and the second on the front passenger door. It had roughly 40 deep paint scratches that they mostly took care of. The plastic molding around the rear window keeps coming off. The dash has this odd ripple right in the center from the back of the screen to the windshield - like the dash was bent to put it in place. The steering wheel is off center and for the life of the service center they can't get it corrected.

So your wife is lucky that hers had zero issues.

 

[jmatero]

As you’re in Denver, wonder if you got an Austin build. Just a warning that as things pop up, be prepared for service experiences where you have to fight to get things resolved. Even clear cut issues are met with “this is within Tesla spec.” That said, I understand completely about getting a Tesla if you’re coming from a Mach-e (or any other EV). They have a few things nailed that others have yet to get sorted out:

• Charge network
• Tech
• Efficiency
• Autopilot

Most opportunities for refinement I’ve seen in the MME could be addressed with OTA updates. However, Tesla has the benefit of data collected from the entire fleet and issues are resolved and pushed out very quickly. Heck, Consumer Reports (rightly) criticized the Model 3 braking performance and within a week, my car got an update that fixed it. I was averaging an update every couple of weeks.

 

[strangeengine]

Be warned - the version of SiriusXM that is available on CarPlay is NOT what you get with iPhone. It is an abominable text-based piece of junk. Frankly, it’s so bad that I still use the SiriusXM receiver on the few occasions I use CarPlay.

The SiriusXM app in general is a complete POS, even the regular iPhone version.

But you are giving up a LOT of audio quality by using in the built-in receiver instead of the app and it's just going to get worse as the terrestrial repeaters die and don't get replaced. The bitrate on the built-in-receiver is truly abysmal.

Go into the app settings, turn the streaming quality to Max, and just deal with the awful CarPlay implementation. Your ears will thank you.

 

[ZuleMME]

As you’re in Denver, wonder if you got an Austin build. I understand completely about getting a Tesla if you’re coming from a Mach-e. They have a few things nailed that Ford (and most others) have yet to get sorted out:

• Charge network
• Tech
• Efficiency
• Autopilot

Our VIN is from Fremont. BUT; I'll say our service center was just opened a week before that. Brand new. Maybe trying to make an impression. Regardless, yea the UX is just totally a decade ahead on the Tesla.

 

[Mirak]

you’ll appreciate an immediately accessible max defrost button much more than a silly hatch release button (which can be relegated to the screen with a mythical frunk release button ?)

It could be on the screen - and that would be fine - but it wasn’t. At least not with a single tap. The rear hatch release doesn’t need to be a physical button but it should only take one tap. Not three taps through a laggy interface.

 

[Stang68]

It could be on the screen - and that would be fine - but it wasn’t. At least not with a single tap. The rear hatch release doesn’t need to be a physical button but it should only take one tap. Not three taps through a laggy interface.

Agreed...all they need to do is implement a shortcut feature at the top of the screen for buttons you use frequently, ie: Camera, Hatch, Frunk, etc.

 

[voxel]

Somebody needs to make one of these for the MME.. basically low power Bluetooth buttons that fire CAN-bus messages.

https://abstractocean.com/products/s3xy-buttons

One could program a button for hatch, frunk, drive mode switching, 1PD on/off.

The Tesla aftermarket eco-system is simply larger right now due to the the cars being on the market for longer and more on the road. MME will get there.

 

[A-A-Ron]

Yesterday, I traded in my 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance and drove home in a 2022 Iced Blue GT Performance with all the bells and whistles. I know there are a zillion discussions here comparing these two amazing cars so the point of this thread is to share my initial experience. I'm sure most of you have heard these things before but just in case, here we go:

Charging:
Nothing new to report here. Tesla for the win. Why does Electrify America charge $28 to go (slowly) from 5% to 80% when Tesla charges about $13 to get me (quickly) from 5% to 90%?

Style:
The GTP in Iced Blue is just stunning. In the past 24 hours, I've been astonished at how many heads turn when they see this car. I surprised my sons with this purchase and when they saw it pull into the driveway they went absolutely NUTS and told me if I ever sell it, they'll kill me. I'm in Silicon Valley so every other car on the road is a Tesla so it's nice to drive something that stands out. Plus, I can't stop staring at it in the driveway as I'm a Mustang guy.

Build Quality:
MME=Impeccable. The factory in Mexico has their act together because every body panel, trim, everything.... is aligned beautifully. The paint on the MME is also amazing... a luster and depth that I haven't experienced on a car since maybe my 2009 Benz E-class. The Model 3 and Model Y built in Fremont are really horrendous with regard to build quality though they have improved over the years. My 2022 Model Y had so many panels misaligned that I stopped looking at the car... just walked up and got in. Fremont paint quality is 1987 Hyundai-level. Drips, dust under the clear coat, overspray, etc. Terrible. To be fair, the Model Y's coming out of Texas and Berlin are reported to be MUCH better. On the inside, the Tesla has numerous trim panels that consistently warp in the sun (A-pillars, cargo side panels to name a couple). There are also misaligned panels that service simply can't seem to get lined up. I have to say the interior of the MME seems put together much better with perfect alignment of trim. The door panels and seat quality on both cars are excellent however.

Interior:
I have never had an issue with the interior finishes on my 2022 Model Y. Tesla uses real wood and aluminum, very little hard plastic to speak of on the dash and doors - all soft touch, and the fake leather used is virtually indestructible. The MME uses a combination of materials that I find interesting and attractive, and the front cabin as a whole feels far less sterile. The Tesla wins with regard to front cabin storage, however, with large carpeted door panel bins that hold LARGE bottles of water and more. The front console in the Tesla is also more usable. Anything you store in the Tesla can be accessed from the drivers seat easily. The MME storage under the console feels like a black hole - once you toss something under there, you can't see/access it without stopping the car and reaching down and hunting. Regarding the seats, your rear end will not budge in the MME GTP seats because the fabric is as powerful as velcro. This is great for holding you in place, but I find it makes getting in/out a little difficult because you can't slide at all on the cushion - to reposition your bum, you have to lift your body off the seat. Those seats are also harder than the Tesla's and don't "give" much at all. However, they provide support in all the right places so they're actually very comfortable. Also, there is no front cushion tilt up/down (they're actually 6-way adjustable, not 8-way). So if you like to be cupped in the seat by increasing thigh support, you'll probably prefer the Tesla seats. Finally, the AC vents (at least on the driver's side) in the MME are very poorly designed. Left/right adjustments have little affect.

Ride:
Advantage MME GTP. The ride in the Model 3/Y can be outright brutal on less than perfect roads. Sticking with the smaller wheels/tires helps a bit but Tesla needs adjustable dampers or air suspension yesterday. The magneride in the GTP should be an option in all Mach-e models frankly. In Whisper mode, it's like riding on a cloud. And in Unbridled mode it still is less stiff and more controlled than anything Tesla has to offer. Steering is super light in Whisper mode and very heavy in Unbridled. The Tesla has individually selectable steering and throttle response modes you can tailor to your liking. The lack of a customizable mode on the MME is disappointing because for me, I'd prefer the Whisper suspension, the Engage steering, and the Unbridled throttle sharpness and propulsion sound (for the kids). Seems so odd that for a performance themed car where you can personalize almost everything else, Ford won't let you personalize the actual driving experience.

Infotainment:
I know, new things take getting used to and if any of the following can be fixed with settings I'm unaware of, I'd be in your debt if you could share a how-to. But maddening is the only way I can describe the MME Infotainment system. For all the Tesla single-screen haters out there (and believe me, it's far from perfect) I could find what I needed quickly (and more intuitively) with fewer episodes of eyes off the road than I can in the MME. Good news is that according to Ford, they're going to heavily refresh the whole UI in the Fall so fingers crossed things will become more streamlined. For me personally (and considering this is a vertically mounted screen) I should be able to see navigation map, (more than 3) entertainment presets, and fixed on-screen items for things like the camera and frunk/hatch releases. On that note, I'm perplexed as to why there is a button hidden on the lower left side of the dash for "Max Defrost" when that could be with the other AC controls on the screen and a hatch release button in its place. Weird. And it would be great if you could customize the IP screen as well. The energy and speedo are off to the extreme sides and require a look away from the road to see them. Feel like the image of the car doesn't need to be fixed in the center unless cruise control is activated.

Bluecruise:
The dealer was 2 hours away from home, right off the highway, and hands-free engaged 2 mins into the ride. It kept the car centered pretty well on the straightaways, but I quickly learned that on curves, it's not worth the chance. Also, even quick changes of radio stations and the alerts were going off to keep eyes on the road and eventually (and I highly suspect this is a form of "punishment" for looking away too much) it refused to go hands-free for the remainder of the ride. Tesla does this too and I'm not complaining, but I think this system (as it works right now) would primarily benefit people driving hours across long stretches of flat highway. Good news is that it will continue to improve over time via SW updates.

All that said, it's great to know that there is some serious competition out there to Tesla. Personally, I find it hard to support Elon at this point and cars like the MME, Lyriq, Blazer EV, Polestar 2 and 3, and Hyundai/Kia/Genesis offerings are all world class alternatives. Looking forward to lots of fun in the GT!!!

I've said it before and this really seems to back it up - Tesla is basically a tech company still getting up to speed on automotive manufacturing while Ford is an automotive manufacturer still trying to figure out the ins and outs of fast paced tech releases. Ford really seems to have the better quality vehicle while struggling with the tech that makes Tesla shine.

They'll both improve, but for now, their roots really show.

 

[sotek2345]

It could be on the screen - and that would be fine - but it wasn’t. At least not with a single tap. The rear hatch release doesn’t need to be a physical button but it should only take one tap. Not three taps through a laggy interface.

Ok - I am really curious what your use case is that makes you want to open the hatch from inside so often. 99.9% of the time I want to open the hatch, I am behind the car wanting to put something in or take something out. I have opened the hatch from inside exactly once when I picked up some pizza.

 

[Blue highway]

As you’re in Denver, wonder if you got an Austin build. Just a warning that as things pop up, be prepared for service experiences where you have to fight to get things resolved. Even clear cut issues are met with “this is within Tesla spec.” That said, I understand completely about getting a Tesla if you’re coming from a Mach-e (or any other EV). They have a few things nailed that others have yet to get sorted out:

• Charge network
• Tech
• Efficiency
• Autopilot

Most opportunities for refinement I’ve seen in the MME could be addressed with OTA updates. However, Tesla has the benefit of data collected from the entire fleet and issues are resolved and pushed out very quickly. Heck, Consumer Reports (rightly) criticized the Model 3 braking performance and within a week, my car got an update that fixed it. I was averaging an update every couple of weeks.

I agree that most of the shortcomings could be handled with OTA. Sadly, Ford couldn't hold a meeting to discuss the issue "within a week" let alone address it.

 

[jmatero]

Ok - I am really curious what your use case is that makes you want to open the hatch from inside so often. 99.9% of the time I want to open the hatch, I am behind the car wanting to put something in or take something out. I have opened the hatch from inside exactly once when I picked up some pizza.

My kids are constantly going to sports and martial arts.... hands full of gear and when they come up to the car with their hands full, I open/close the hatch constantly. And with the loss of the kick-to-open feature gone for 2022, it's even more helpful.

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