I've done a lot of comparing of the specs and shapes between our current 2013 Escapes and the Mach-e. While the Mach-e is (disappointingly) 3" shorter in overall height, the peak height appears to be right over the driver seat; whereas on the Escape peak height is behind the driver seat. So it looks like the difference is only 1-2" at the driver seat. I also calculated it by subtracting headroom from vehicle height (with a few assumptions), and that came out about 1" difference.Totally understandable I am certainly going on some assumptions based on previous and existing products, due to the nature of the mach-e being based around c2 platform with obvious differences, just looking at the pictures of the interior it is all very c2 based to me so if you can go sit in a new escape or find a c-max on the used lot it may be a good approximation.
With the c-max always just being a taller focus with more head room I would imagine it is the closet in regards to seating h-point and head room as the dimension of the mach-e are very close to the original c-max just a bit longer. It did start out life out as an all electric c-max replacement which probably explains it.
Seat could be a bit higher due to batteries but the c-max seat h-point is closer to the original mk1 focus h-point which is higher than the mk3 and maintains its more upright seating position., which is why sitting in both an escape and c-max will probably give you a ball park idea if you are going to be ok.
That was funny to read. "Premature death"?!? Ha, they wish. I guess some of those Tesla fanboys aren't real familiar with the concept of competition. If we don't like what one dealership tries to charge, we simply try another.I am completely amazed at how many articles have been published in the last two day regarding the ADM and some that have said the dealerships will cause the demise of the Mach-E. Well, I am pretty certain no one associated with this forum is going to pay the extra. The sensationalism is crazy though.
Here's am example. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-vs-ford-mustang-mach-e-premature-death/
I just got an email from Gosch Ford In Temecula California; "We are not marking them up. Whatever the MSRP of your build is will be the price. "Yup.. gonna try a list of Ford dealerships who do not charge ADM (additional dealer markup).
For those of you with C8 vettes on order as well, I think we are rapidly entering an era where customers can be honest with OEMs:
NO ONE likes constant renegotiation and adversarial relationships where stress becomes part of the buying experience.
Negotiations with dealers sucks.
Get rid of it?
Can we sticky a list of dealers doing no ADM like the C8 site?
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- Moyer Ford Sales - Foley, AL
- McLarty Daniel Ford - Bentonville, AR
- Chapman Ford - Scottsdale, AZ (X-plan)
- Mullahey Ford- Arroyo Grande, CA(Did not ask about plan Pricing)
- Future Ford - Concord, CA
- Encinitas Ford - Encinitas, CA
- Tuttle-Click Ford Lincoln - Irvine, CA (Will accept plan pricing)
- Galpin Ford - North Hills, CA (will not honor any A/Z/D/X plan pricing at this time)
- Henry Curtis Ford - Petaluma, CA
- Santa Margarita Ford - Rancho Santa Margarita, CA (accept AZX)
- Towne Ford - Redwood City, CA (accepts X-plan and no ADM)
- Autonation Ford - Tustin, CA
- Visa Ford-Lincoln - Woodland Hills, CA (will accept plan pricing as long as it's offered on the Mach-E, which they're confirming)
- Mall of Georgia Ford - Buford, GA (A/Z/X Pricing)
- AutoNation Ford Marietta - Marietta, GA (A/Z/X Pricing)
- McGrath Ford - Cedar Rapids, IA
- Ron Tirapelli Ford - Plainfield, IL
- Gjovik Ford - Sandwich, IL
- Ray Skillman Ford - Greenwood, IN
- Gutwein Motor Company - Monon, IN
- Mel Hambelton Ford - Wichita, KS
- Bob Davidson Ford - Baltimore, MD (X plan pricing)
- Apple Ford - Columbia, MD
- Shaffer Ford - Cumberland, MD
- Century Ford - Mt. Airy, MD (X plan pricing)
- Koons Ford - Silver Spring, MD (A-Z plan pricing) - confirmed in email
- Freeway Ford - Bloomington, MN (Plan pricing NOT allowed)
- Crossroads Ford - Kernersville, NC (not taking plan pricing)
- Crescent Ford - High Point, NC (not taking plan pricing)
- Green Ford - Greensboro, NC (not taking plan pricing)
- Parkway Ford - Winston-Salem and Lexington, NC (not taking plan pricing)
- Luther Family Ford - Fargo, ND
- Beiner Ford - Great Neck, NY
- Friendly Ford - Poughkeepsie, NY (X plan pricing)
- AutoNation Ford - Canton, OH (All A/Z/X - also said all AutoNation Dealers should honor)
- Springfield Ford - Springfield, PA
- Fairway Ford - Greenville, SC (X plan pricing)
- Tommie Vaughn - Houston, TX
- Helfman Ford - Stafford, TX
- Sterling McCall Ford - Houston, TX
- Ourisman Ford - Alexandria, VA
- Magic City Ford - Roanoke, VA
- Bowen Scarff Ford - Kent, WA
- Bickford Ford - Snohomish, WA
- Titus-Will Ford - Tacoma, WA
- Korum Ford - Puyallup, WA (X-plan)
- Gordie Boucher Ford - Kenosha, WI
- Freehold Ford, Freehold, NJ - (Sales Manager Joe said no ADM at their dealership)
- Suburban Ford of Sterling Heights - metro Detroit, MI
- Suburban Ford of Ferndale - Metro Detroit, MI (AXZ for customer ordered vehicles at least)
- Mitchell Selig Ford - Windsor, CT (accepting Ford AXZ price plan)
- Suburban Ford - Sandy, OR
- Cooper Ford - Carthage, NC (AXZ-Plan, No ADM)
- Bo Beuckman - Ellisville, MO (accepting X Plan)
Check the list in the first post of this thread at https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/official-list-no-adm-mach-e-ford-dealers.95/anyone know of a Maryland or DC/VA area dealer without the ADM?
That totally makes sense. From a dealership sales volume standpoint, the F-150 is an elephant and the Mach-e is a mouse.Based on my understanding and what I've read, the new F-150 seems like a much bigger deal to Ford than the Mach-E, regardless of it being delivered sooner.