Why Mach-E over Tesla & Others

[Deleted member 16048]

Gotta ask you - does the CEO of P&G spend a great deal of effort making their public persona known by everyone? Do they get on a soapbox and make pronouncements designed to agitate? I don't even know who the CEO of P&G is, which is a testament to their intelligence.

P&G has hundreds of products. Tesla has one, cars (yes, P&G may have many brands of toothpaste, or laundry detergent, so sure, count those as one each, they still are in a huge number of product categories.

If the CEO of any company spends effort drawing attention to themselves, as someone else stated they should plan on alienating 1/2 of the population. I agree that Musk has probably done that to 60 or 70% of the population...

Then he bought Twitter and has basically destroyed $44B of "value", i.e. his investment. Like sitting around a campfire burning money, and each day he adds more fuel to fire.

He may be a genius, but he does stupid things. And, doesn't care, because money doesn't matter anymore, just attention.

This... Honestly I don't think it's about politics at all. I think people are waking up to Elon not being as smart as people think he is. He makes very knee jerk decisions, and doesn't always think things through. He has great ideas, but execution seems to be a downfall for sure.

I don't want a vehicle that will have a giant functionality change just because the CEO thinks it's better for me. I would rather have a CEOs idea get filtered and vetted through teams of people that can red flag it, or verify that it's the correct decision. Teams create better products than dictators do...

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[RickMachE]

This... Honestly I don't think it's about politics at all. I think people are waking up to Elon not being as smart as people think he is. He makes very knee jerk decisions, and doesn't always think things through. He has great ideas, but execution seems to be a downfall for sure.

I don't want a vehicle that will have a giant functionality change just because the CEO thinks it's better for me. I would rather have a CEOs idea get filtered and vetted through teams of people that can red flag it, or verify that it's the correct decision. Teams create better products than dictators do...

I never said the word "politics"...

 

[HuntingPudel]

A bowl of water, a bag of kibble, and a frunk. Chill-city! ??

 

[Bobbyg813]

This... Honestly I don't think it's about politics at all. I think people are waking up to Elon not being as smart as people think he is. He makes very knee jerk decisions, and doesn't always think things through. He has great ideas, but execution seems to be a downfall for sure.

I don't want a vehicle that will have a giant functionality change just because the CEO thinks it's better for me. I would rather have a CEOs idea get filtered and vetted through teams of people that can red flag it, or verify that it's the correct decision. Teams create better products than dictators do...

Just curious why you think Teslas will have a giant functionality change? S3XY are all mature products with well thought out and refined user interfaces. Any changes/enhancements will be iterative. The Tesla UI has had the same general look and feel since 2018.

Elon did go against conventional wisdom and the opinions of his management team when designing the look of the Cybertruck. Even if only 1/3 of the current 1.5 million reservations turn into sales that represents the first 2-3 years of production. Not bad for a dictator.

 

[thekat03]

Just curious why you think Teslas will have a giant functionality change? S3XY are all mature products with well thought out and refined user interfaces. Any changes/enhancements will be iterative. The Tesla UI has had the same general look and feel since 2018.

Elon did go against conventional wisdom and the opinions of his management team when designing the look of the Cybertruck. Even if only 1/3 of the current 1.5 million reservations turn into sales that represents the first 2-3 years of production. Not bad for a dictator.

Ultrasonic sensors were pulled last October with no reasonably replacement implemented, breaking parking assist. 6 months later, they rolled out something vaguely resembling a replacement, but it's still not as good as the ultrasonic parking assist most other cars on the market use today. In 2021, they dropped radar. Both changes were apparently made because of the push toward Tesla Vision, and we're pushed over the recommendations of Tesla's engineers.

 

[TGIF]

I was ready to switch to an EV. I test drove a MY and was very unimpressed with the experience—noise, road bumps, lack of buttons/knobs. I promptly ordered an MME. It just feels more solid, quiet, has the range I want, and feels like a car I want to be in. Doesn’t hurt that I get lots of compliments on its looks.

 

[Bobbyg813]

Ultrasonic sensors were pulled last October with no reasonably replacement implemented, breaking parking assist. 6 months later, they rolled out something vaguely resembling a replacement, but it's still not as good as the ultrasonic parking assist most other cars on the market use today. In 2021, they dropped radar. Both changes were apparently made because of the push toward Tesla Vision, and we're pushed over the recommendations of Tesla's engineers.

You are correct, there was a phase-in period with limited functionality for new cars when they switched to Tesla vision. But I believe that was resolved within a few months. I have a model S, with FSD that was recently transitioned to vision from Radar and ultrasonics, and the only change I noticed, was a maximum FSD speed of 85 mph. I never used the park assist, so I don’t know if that changed.

Unless you were in the meeting room with Elon and the engineers, or privy to private internal communication, take everything that the media says with a huge grain of salt. Not saying that the engineers didn’t object, but mainstream media is notorious for making up facts, and publishing half-truths to get clicks.

 

[MacherAWD]

You are correct, there was a phase-in period with limited functionality for new cars when they switched to Tesla vision. But I believe that was resolved within a few months. I have a model S, with FSD that was recently transitioned to vision from Radar and ultrasonics, and the only change I noticed, was a maximum FSD speed of 85 mph. I never used the park assist, so I don’t know if that changed.

Unless you were in the meeting room with Elon and the engineers, or privy to private internal communication, take everything that the media says with a huge grain of salt. Not saying that the engineers didn’t object, but mainstream media is notorious for making up facts, and publishing half-truths to get clicks.

It was a move to save money, it's why they have phantom braking, don't drink too much Kool aid. It's why FSD is only a novelty that you can't take your hands off the wheel

 

[highmesa]

In 2021, I went with a MME ER AWD over the MYLR based on cost after the tax credit ($50k vs. $65k). I am seriously considering the MYLR instead right now for the same reason ($56K VS $46K).

 

[MacherAWD]

In 2021, I went with a MME ER AWD over the MYLR based on cost after the tax credit ($50k vs. $65k). I am seriously considering the MYLR instead right now for the same reason ($56K VS $46K).

Are you replacing the MME or getting a 2nd EV?

 

[highmesa]

Are you replacing the MME or getting a 2nd EV?

Replacing at some point. Don't trust keeping the Ford past the worst-in-the-industry 3 yr warranty period. My wife wants me to get an Audi Q5 PHEV so she can steal it.

 

[BigMach-E]

I went with the MME because of styling, and when I test drove a Cal Route 1, it was probably one of the most exhilarating test drives I ever had. It also was the first new car I ever bought. I didn’t even think about Tesla, and that was really the only alternative out there at the time. And the price was substantially higher. Loved my Select AWD, but when I found a GTPE with all the bells and whistles for a decent price, I jumped at it.

Now, if I was in the market right now, I still wouldn’t be thinking Tesla, but probably EV6 GT.

 

[lurker]

I had a Model 3 and paid I believe 1000 for the non-standard white color at the time. Then it slowly became the Prius of the CA highways and I wanted something else. Test drove a MME, I loved the looks, the interior, and the rebate.

If was I was to choose again, I would go with the Mach-E even if it costs more, I love my car. The only thing I regret is not getting a GT, I can only kick so much butt with my AWD.

 

[Mosworthy]

I bought in late 2021...

• Premium AWD was at least 30k cheaper than Tesla at the time
• Looks way better than anything else I've researched. (And it still does)
• Local dealer and lots of dealers when road tripping

 

[Msnwcpa]

Ultrasonic sensors were pulled last October with no reasonably replacement implemented, breaking parking assist. 6 months later, they rolled out something vaguely resembling a replacement, but it's still not as good as the ultrasonic parking assist most other cars on the market use today. In 2021, they dropped radar. Both changes were apparently made because of the push toward Tesla Vision, and we're pushed over the recommendations of Tesla's engineers.

I drove my MME with Blue cruise 1.0 from PA to NC, SC and back. I would have gone manual for at most 100 miles out of the 1500mile trip, it worked well for me. There were some sketchy behavior by the car.

Don't have the same confidence yet with MY-23 and Tesla vision.

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