And so it begins...

[A-A-Ron]

Simple answer is to vary charge by capacity. $0.30/kWh on a 50 kW, $0.40/kWh on a 150kW, and $0.50/kWh on a 350 kW (and maybe $0.60 on a future 600 kW).

Truth is, this still won't work for the same reason we have a problem right now - most people don't realize what their car is capable of and they'd still be parked in the wrong spot most of the time. I sincerely doubt most lower-rate cars are parking in the high-rate spots maliciously, it's ignorance and a variable rate doesn't fix that at all.

Also doesn't help that some of the stations have larger screens on the larger chargers which attracts people that don't know any better.

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[jeffMachE]

Truth is, this still won't work for the same reason we have a problem right now - most people don't realize what their car is capable of and they'd still be parked in the wrong spot most of the time. I sincerely doubt most lower-rate cars are parking in the high-rate spots maliciously, it's ignorance and a variable rate doesn't fix that at all.

Also doesn't help that some of the stations have larger screens on the larger chargers which attracts people that don't know any better.

You may be right, but I think people, as a group, respond to incentives. If station A is cheaper than station B, some portion of people will choose station A. Others will value their time more (or percieved time, even if not actual) and will still choose station B.

What we have today, however, is the worst of all. Flat pricing withing a single physical location with widely varying speeds and uninformed consumers.

 

[PupSideDown]

Wow! People need to mind there own business. I can't imagine what asshat had enough ego to post this sign.

You have no idea the person who is parked at the chargers and their situation, like they might have an appointment they need to keep or may have to pick up children from school. This is a public accessible charging station, emphasis on public.

The world is full of judgmental, peevish individuals who "know" what's best for everyone. Given the current state of public DCFC stations, which often have multiple chargers offline, or 30-45 minute waits for any charger to become available, it is not up to the person charging to follow the arbitrary rules of our know-it-all overlords. They are the same tiresome people who fume when someone has 16 items in the 15 item Express checkout lane. What an exhausting life they must lead.

 

[Dolphingirl]

Yes, I agree with this. But with one added wrinkle: if there is a dual port unit then use the dual CCS/Chademo unit last.

I typically look for EA charging in this order: Non-Chademo 150 kW > 350 kW > 150 kW Chademo Combo station.

But realistically, if it's late at night or early in the morning and the whole location is empty then I'm picking whichever 150 non-Chademo or 350 unit that aligns with how I feel like parking (even if I'm parked 'behind' the unit). I'm only going to be there for <30 minutes anyways.

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[DevSecOps]

The world is full of judgmental, peevish individuals who "know" what's best for everyone. Given the current state of public DCFC stations, which often have multiple chargers offline, or 30-45 minute waits for any charger to become available, it is not up to the person charging to follow the arbitrary rules of our know-it-all overlords. They are the same tiresome people who fume when someone has 16 items in the 15 item Express checkout lane. What an exhausting life they must lead.

No one is saying not to use a more powerful unit if that's the only one working, or if the others are occupied. If you pull up to a station and have options you should pick the unit commensurate with your vehicle charging capacity. If there's only one unit available then take it.

It sure is exhausting being considerate of others, but I'll gladly take that over being the guy who is a self-centered prick.

 

[moparguy]

If I see a charger with a Bolt, Kona EV or Mach E select charging, I just leave, those 3 are very common and the worst, is nothing better than a charging station full of Ioniqs and a Taycan! those leave in no time.

 

[kennethjk]

If I see a charger with a Bolt, Kona EV or Mach E select charging, I just leave, those 3 are very common and the worst, is nothing better than a charging station full of Ioniqs and a Taycan! those leave in no time.

Wonder what the Ioniqs and Taycans say about our slow charging cars, ah to be a fly on their window, ?

 

[moparguy]

Wonder what the Ioniqs and Taycans say about our slow charging cars, ah to be a fly on their window, ?

I understand their pain, on time in orange county, a taycan pulled next to me on a 350kw charger, he pulled 250kw while my GT was pulling 90, he charged for 8 minutes and left, I thought that was impressive, my friend's EV6 usually average 100-130 on a 150kw, on a 350, it goes higher, my select average 65kw on a 150.

 

[Phrozen]

It's not the same as a gas pump as some others claim. Gas pumps are all the same, EV chargers are not.

Gas pumps are absolutely not all the same. Some have just one handle, some have a diesel or E85 or whatever handle as well. The thing is, if you show up and see a gas car at the one pump with a diesel handle and you need diesel... well, were the other pumps in use when that car showed up?

If I post up in my Fordundaioyotaru Super EV that can charge at a billion kW, and those chargers are all in use by Generaslyer Motor Gewerk cars that only draw 5 kW, well, I wasn't there when they plugged in. I'm not going to resort to passive-aggressive graffiti because I think I'm better than someone who got there first.

 

[DevSecOps]

Gas pumps are absolutely not all the same. Some have just one handle, some have a diesel or E85 or whatever handle as well. The thing is, if you show up and see a gas car at the one pump with a diesel handle and you need diesel... well, were the other pumps in use when that car showed up?

If I post up in my Fordundaioyotaru Super EV that can charge at a billion kW, and those chargers are all in use by Generaslyer Motor Gewerk cars that only draw 5 kW, well, I wasn't there when they plugged in. I'm not going to resort to passive-aggressive graffiti because I think I'm better than someone who got there first.

Way to twist everything I said into something I didn't.

First, we are talking about time here, not different kinds of electrons. Gas pumps all pump at the same speed at that station unless a filter is clogged.

Second, I'll say this for the 4th time now... No one, literally no one, is saying to wait until a charger commensurate to your vehicles capacity is open if there's none available. You should TRY to always use a charger commensurate to your vehicles charging capacity if possible because that's what's kind, courteous and considerate to others. Is that clear now? Here's my 1st, 2nd and 3rd time saying this, which you left out for some reason:

The only people espousing entitlement are those selfish enough to think they shouldn't respect or be courteous to others by taking a unit way beyond their charging capacity when lower capacity units are available.

What the sign says and what most of us agree with is that you should use the charge unit commensurate with your vehicle when available.

No one is saying not to use a more powerful unit if that's the only one working, or if the others are occupied.

 

[PupSideDown]

No one is saying not to use a more powerful unit if that's the only one working, or if the others are occupied. If you pull up to a station and have options you should pick the unit commensurate with your vehicle charging capacity. If there's only one unit available then take it.

It sure is exhausting being considerate of others, but I'll gladly take that over being the guy who is a self-centered prick.

Being courteous and tolerant isn't exhausting. It's easy to see, based on your numerous posts attacking people who don't enthusiastically support you, that common courtesy is very difficult for you. You've bragged about posting an abusive, threatening message in the washroom, instead of simply posting a request for all staff to maintain a safe, hygienic washroom by flushing after every use. You've bragged about firing someone who asked for a pay increase. That employee, who was probably familiar with your bullying management style, likely expected to be fired, and could then collect unemployment while securing a new job. Appointing yourself as the final authority on how everyone should think, act, behave, make choices, etc., because everyone else is a self-centered prick is not too surprising.

 

[Teslaeata]

Is this a US thang?

Not experienced it in UK

First come, first serve as far as I’m concerned?

TBF we ARE the professionals when it comes to queuing and the British way is to just huff under our breath, and of course roll our eyes noisily?

Fact is, the apps are sooooo good, if they tell me their charge stations are full I don’t need to stop to look up the specs of the cars occupying the chargers, just move on to the next which makes me wonder if it’s more a fact that the UK’s infrastructure’s keeping up with demand despite what the propagandist and ant-EV ICE-age man tells me.

 

[DevSecOps]

Being courteous and tolerant isn't exhausting. It's easy to see, based on your numerous posts attacking people who don't enthusiastically support you, that common courtesy is very difficult for you. You've bragged about posting an abusive, threatening message in the washroom, instead of simply posting a request for all staff to maintain a safe, hygienic washroom by flushing after every use. You've bragged about firing someone who asked for a pay increase. That employee, who was probably familiar with your bullying management style, likely expected to be fired, and could then collect unemployment while securing a new job. Appointing yourself as the final authority on how everyone should think, act, behave, make choices, etc., because everyone else is a self-centered prick is not too surprising.

First of all, I'm not attacking anyone, I'm attacking the ideas. That's what forums are for, to discuss ideas. The same back and forth is happening on Reddit and Facebook over this same sign. We don't all come here to agree with each other and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm vocal and I'm not going to be politically correct so not to offend sensitive people.

As for the sign in the bathroom, there's nothing threatening about telling someone to flush the urinal. Based on that logic, a stop sign would be the thing of nightmares.

As for the employee who tried blackmailing me for a raise, yeah, he got fired. If you think that's a good way to get a raise, go try it and let me know how it works out for you. Employment is a contract. You agree to work and the employer agrees to pay you. Every business owner who I know gets joy out of employing people and being able to help them and their families. That's one of the best parts of owning a company. When you put your heart into helping others through employing them, it's very disheartening when someone comes in asking for money while threatening to hold back on their fullest abilities unless you pay them more. That is quite literally the definition of blackmail.

It appears that your issue is with the fact that I'm not going to be politically correct in the way I speak. I can fully acknowledge that I could say things in a nicer way, but I'm not going to for your ideal of "correctness". It's very hypocritical for you to criticize my language while making your first comment calling people judgmental, peevish and overlords and furthermore calling me a bully and directly attacking me. If people aren't going to be considerate of others, I'm going to call that out. Change doesn't happen by ignoring the problem.

 

[DevSecOps]

Is this a US thang?

Not experienced it in UK

First come, first serve as fast as I’m concerned?

The thang isn't that it's not first come first serve, it is here as well. It's just about etiquette and where you "should" charge if possible.

Our infrastructure here is bad and I’m not sure the kW ratings on the stations over there, but if your stations are all the same kW then you wouldn’t experience this problem. You guys also have CCS1 connectors on all Superchargers and that network is open to you all so that makes life easier. In the USA we can’t always “go next” especially on road trips as there’s times when the next station is 50mi away.

It’s not so much about the queue or them being full, it’s about using the unit appropriate for your vehicle if you can. One day, I think the hope would be that all units will be 350kW and we won’t have to worry about it.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Is this a US thang?

Not experienced it in UK

First come, first serve as far as I’m concerned?

TBF we ARE the professionals when it comes to queuing and the British way is to just huff under our breath, and of course roll our eyes noisily?

Fact is, the apps are sooooo good, if they tell me their charge stations are full I don’t need to stop to look up the specs of the cars occupying the chargers, just move on to the next which makes me wonder if it’s more a fact that the UK’s infrastructure’s keeping up with demand despite what the propagandist and ant-EV ICE-age man tells me.

How reliable are the Charging stations in the UK? Are they broken often?

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