2023 Mach-E Price Increases Substantially! 💰

[jbooth]

I think there's some value to be realized for your EV to *not* be a Tesla. 66% of EVs are teslas. In the Bay Area, I see them everywhere. When I decided to get a Mach-E, a big part of my reasoning was I didn't want a car that half my neighbors had in their garage.

If you roll that way, sure. I don't, so I don't care. Actually, that'd make me think I should have gotten the tesla, because they probably have more than one certified EV tech around to service cars, so my car wouldn't be sitting for 2 weeks before someone even looks at it. Some of that is certainly small-town vs big-city, but I live where I live, I'm not moving to be where there's enough techs to service my EV of choice.

And yes I know tesla has a rep about service. Ford is working on building one of those too, IMO.

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[yngwenli]

Some people buy cars based on price, some people have a specific type of car or a specific car itself and then look for the best price

I would not get the BMW i4 since it’s basically a coupe and not what I was looking for

I was looking at a smallish SUV to replace my Macan, MME fit the bill

Do I believe the i4 is a better car than the MME, yeah probably still doesn’t mean I would buy it even if it was at a better price. BTW even if I feel it’s a better car that doesn’t mean it won’t have its own problems

I can’t wait for the electric Macan to come out, that could be the answer to a small SUV that handles great for that type of car. Of course the catch will be the price. I wanted to put down an order with my Porsche dealer but they wouldn’t take it yet

Plenty more options will be coming out for us to choose, hopefully prices mellow out

I ordered a ix50 and turned it down when it came in since it was too big

My original feeling on the MME was to get rid of it after 3 years and that is why I took the option price. I fee a bit different know but time will tell

I've seen multiple people put down reservations for the Macan EV on forums. Not sure what they're really doing, but I suppose they are trying to build some relationship with the dealer and indicate interest. I've seen people buy Porsches out of state for better pricing or delivery to the Porsche Experience thing in Los Angeles I think...Probably not possible for you unless they have that in NY too.

Yeah, I never felt we should compare sedans to SUVs. I guess I never saw the i4 as a hatchback, because it looks too much like a sedan to me. Storage is much less with trunk at 10 cuft vs. the 29.7 cuft/59.7 cuft seats folded for MME. This will have trouble bringing taller things I suppose vs. the MME.

The BMW (being a sedan) also doesn't qualify if folks qualify for the CA CVRP credit ($2 - $4.5k worth if qualified). No issue there with MME since it's an SUV now.

i4 had that immediately stop driving, go to dealer right away recall affecting some early cars. Not sure if that's fixed yet. As you say, all cars will have problems so not a good idea to sling mud for anyone.

 

[kennethjk]

I've seen multiple people put down reservations for the Macan EV on forums. Not sure what they're really doing, but I suppose they are trying to build some relationship with the dealer and indicate interest. I've seen people buy Porsches out of state for better pricing or delivery to the Porsche Experience thing in Los Angeles I think...Probably not possible for you unless they have that in NY too.

Yeah, I never felt we should compare sedans to SUVs. I guess I never saw the i4 as a hatchback, because it looks too much like a sedan to me. Storage is much less with trunk at 10 cuft vs. the 29.7 cuft/59.7 cuft seats folded for MME. This will have trouble bringing taller things I suppose vs. the MME.

The BMW (being a sedan) also doesn't qualify if folks qualify for the CA CVRP credit ($2 - $4.5k worth if qualified). No issue there with MME since it's an SUV now.

i4 had that immediately stop driving, go to dealer right away recall affecting some early cars. Not sure if that's fixed yet. As you say, all cars will have problems so not a good idea to sling mud for anyone.

I am sure there may be some Porsche dealerships that are taking some money. I guess, why not.

the dealership I have been dealing with for years said it’s just too early to do so. I am sure if they could they would take a deposit from me.

I did purchase my 911S from an LA dealership since they had what I wanted And shipped it to me.

will just have to wait and see what develops.

 

[voxel]

In terms of EV I think the new price is still comparable to other EV competitors. I am sure they will continue to sell as long as the hot used car market remains. But do people really not cross shop EV with traditional ICE? I was cross shopping between MME and a loaded GV70. My MME was 51K Out the door. 44K after tax credit. Loaded GV70 54K out the door. If it was the 2023 MME price and potentially no tax credit, I would definitely go for the GV70. I prefer the EV torque and gas saving, but not for extra cost over comparable ICE. There are also new EV/software problems and road trip charging hassles. The car is also really heavy. Cornered my MME hard at near 60 MPH, thought the car was gonna flip. That big battery weight is just there. The price of GT is enough for a C8 corvette. I know not the same type of car, but still mind blowing to me.

There was a Florida member here that bought a GV70 last fall instead of a MME Premium AWD ER and I tried to take over this order (nope... dealer said $5K markup).

I sat in one.. it's luxury sedan compared to more barebones Mach-E. It depends on what you value. Obviously he wanted a lux interior and a more compliant ride.

 

[voxel]

Doesn't the Mach E come with Blue Cruise and Tesla charge $6000 for "Enhanced Autopilot" and another $12000 for "Full Self Driving" (which doesn't really exist yet).

There's no Tesla equivalent to BlueCruise (must keep hands on wheel occasionally) and there's no Ford equivalent to "Enhanced Autopilot" (except for Parking Assist which got removed anyhow).

Enhanced Autopilot
In addition to the functionality and features of Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot also includes:

• Navigate on Autopilot: Actively guides your car from a highway’s on-ramp to off-ramp, including suggesting lane changes, navigating interchanges, automatically engaging the turn signal and taking the correct exit.
• Auto Lane Change: Assists in moving to an adjacent lane on the highway when Autosteer is engaged.
• Autopark: Helps automatically parallel or perpendicular park your car, with a single touch.
• Summon: Moves your car in and out of a tight space using the mobile app or key.
• Smart Summon: Your car will navigate more complex environments and parking spaces, maneuvering around objects as necessary to come find you in a parking lot.

 

[Toreus]

Rising component costs don't just hit Ford and Tesla. It affects every EV manufacturer. I expect ID4 price increases to come very shortly. Speaking of which, I'll be placing my ID4 order tomorrow to lock in prices before the increase.

Actually, this seems unlikely - Volkswagen didn’t announce MY23 pricing until just a few weeks ago. They’d had a chance to consider a cost increase, and instead went the other way - 23 ID4’s have a lower starting price than 22’s. They’ve stated this a direct result of cost savings realized from producing them in Tennessee rather than Germany, they’re passing some of it to the customer.

 

[snowdoggie]

I am sure there may be some Porsche dealerships that are taking some money. I guess, why not.

the dealership I have been dealing with for years said it’s just too early to do so. I am sure if they could they would take a deposit from me.

I did purchase my 911S from an LA dealership since they has what I wanted And shipped it to me.

will just have to wait and see what develops.

That's a missed opportunity for a reverse cannonball run

 

[moostang]

Actually, this seems unlikely - Volkswagen didn’t announce MY23 pricing until just a few weeks ago. They’d had a chance to consider a cost increase, and instead went the other way - 23 ID4’s have a lower starting price than 22’s. They’ve stated this a direct result of cost savings realized from producing them in Tennessee rather than Germany, they’re passing some of it to the customer.

Don't be misled by VW's marketing. The lower starting price is a function of introducing a smaller battery size. Apples-to-apples, VW also increased prices from MY22 to MY23, albeit by "only" $2-3k.

 

[Blue highway]

Actually, this seems unlikely - Volkswagen didn’t announce MY23 pricing until just a few weeks ago. They’d had a chance to consider a cost increase, and instead went the other way - 23 ID4’s have a lower starting price than 22’s. They’ve stated this a direct result of cost savings realized from producing them in Tennessee rather than Germany, they’re passing some of it to the customer.

Isn't this mostly de-contenting? The base car battery went from 82KWh to 62KWh. Starting price went down ~$1500 battery capacity went down ~25%

 

[moparguy]

I guess if my house and office were at opposite ends of a drag strip, the above might matter to me. But in real world daily driving, I'll take the Android Auto, seconds line of sight display, additional physical buttons and rattle free ride. Did I mention Android Auto ?

I'll take android auto too, assuming it frickin works!

 

[kindofblue]

You aren’t even close to comparing apples to apples.

You’re comparing base models of theirs to top model of ours.

Quad motor R1S is also $91k!

And Lyriq doesn’t have “comparable or better performance.”

Has anyone seen the Jay Leno's Garage youtube video of him driving the Lyriq down a street? You can clearly see how the suspension is so soft the it looks like the Caddy's from the 50's driving on uneven road surfaces.

 

[moparguy]

Doesn't the Mach E come with Blue Cruise and Tesla charge $6000 for "Enhanced Autopilot" and another $12000 for "Full Self Driving" (which doesn't really exist yet).

See the Blue Cruise does not worth $6000, it is worth maybe $1000 at best, I am glad Ford doesn't charge much for it! probably because they know its true value, the $6k Enhanced autopilot gives you auto lane change, actual navigation on autopilot, auto park ( I have active park assist and was never able to get it to work ), Summon mode, and smart summon, you can't compare all those features to blue cruise, personally I wouldn't pay for any of those options on any car if I have the option, but I think the enhanced autopilot is a better value than FSD.

 

[Reign of Ravens]

I wonder how high prices can go before demand starts to fade.

If you look at dealer markups, Ford has basically raised the MSRP to what the dealer markups were. Most dealers didn't seem to be having trouble selling every Mach-E that came onto their lot despite the markup, so Ford probably figured what the heck, the dealers are proving that the car still sells easily at that cost, so why should Ford be taking a financial hit on the materials when the dealers are profiting handsomely? The bigger question is how this might impact dealer markups and sales. If dealers still add the same markup and people still buy them then nothing would change, but if the cars start to sit on lots then markup will either reduce or go away.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Inflation is taking a toll on a lot of people... but then again, I'm still surprised at how much people were spending during the middle of the pandemic, when I thought most people would be hurting financially. Inflation aside, the Mach-E was basically the only true contender to Tesla for the past two years (considering price, performance, and availability). The EV6 and Ioniq 5 already stole away some people from the Mach-E, not hurting sales but getting people to abandon orders. As the Mach-E price rises and more EVs become available, how will the demand for the Mach-E be affected?

I get the sense that there are two types of people on this forum: technology (electric vehicle) enthusiasts, and Mustang fans. I'm guessing the former group will begin to drop off over the next two years.

Yup, those Blazer, Equinox and even current Bolt prices were all with No Federal Tax credit, now that $7500 is back on the table I would expect prices to rise

Companies are going to have to be careful about the tax credit, because not everyone gets it thanks to the upper income limit. It's a very fine line to tread, because I had read before that people with incomes that now wouldn't qualify for the tax credit were the primary purchasers of electric vehicles. I don't oppose the idea that the rich shouldn't be subsidized, but just because someone is rich doesn't mean that they want to spend a ton on a vehicle. If someone is OK with the idea of spending $50-60K on a car, the tax credit meant that they'd be OK with an up-front expenditure of $60-70K since they'd get it back. If they don't qualify for that rebate, now they're still looking at $50-60K cars.

 

[Caulk-E]

Actually, this seems unlikely - Volkswagen didn’t announce MY23 pricing until just a few weeks ago. They’d had a chance to consider a cost increase, and instead went the other way - 23 ID4’s have a lower starting price than 22’s. They’ve stated this a direct result of cost savings realized from producing them in Tennessee rather than Germany, they’re passing some of it to the customer.

Yeah that’s a lot of smoke in mirrors. The only reason VW was able to accomplish a lower starting price was they reduced the battery size considerably. There were cost savings alright, from the smaller battery. LOL

 

[Eosin]

And you’re wrong about “only a handful will pay the new price.”

Everyone ordering an R1S since March is paying the new price.

And those people won't be taking delivery any time soon. 2023 will be spent fulfilling orders placed over a year ago.

My post specifically addressed people taking delivery in 2023.

There are way too many R1S reservations over the last few years to fulfill them all in 2023. People ordering at the new price, aside from a few exceptions such as VIPs, lucky people who can jump the line, etc have no chance in getting a R1S in 2023.

You are fixated on the price if ordered today.

I get it.

The reality is people taking delivery in 2023 will be paying about the same price for their R1S as people who take delivery of a GTPE in 2023.

You are trying to compare the price people will have to pay for a Rivian delivered in 2024 or even 2025 to the price of a Mach E delivered in 2023.

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