Just took delivery, a quick question please

[kkgg]

After almost a year just took delivery of Mach e. Came home to realize the 220 outlet I have will not fit the adapters came with car. What to do

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[cdiv]

So that's a NEMA 6-20. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any UL-listed EVSE that plugs into that without an adapter. Clipper Creek have some of the correct amp rating (16A for a 20A circuit), but they all have 30A plugs.

There are some non-UL-listed EVSEs on Amazon, but who knows if they actually meet the safety requirements.

 

[AKgrampy]

First off you can charge at 120V, slow but doable. Second you need to get a 240V socket like your stove or dryer. Many threads on the subject with the info you need to do it right.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

First off you can charge at 120V, slow but doable. Second you need to get a 240V socket like your stove or dryer. Many threads on the subject with the info you need to do it right.

And better yet hardwire an EVSE such as a ChargePoint Flex so that you'll not run the risk of the outlet or plug melting/burning (it's happened to many).

In the interim, please do not use a NEMA 6-20 to NEMA 14-50 adapter. NEMA 6-20 is for a maximum current of 20 Amps, while the Ford Mobile Charger will draw 32 Amps. Attempting this can lead to bad things (e.g., tripped circuits, or worse yet, fire).

FWIW, I charged my GT on 120V for a few weeks before I could have my ChargePoint Flex installed. It is slow, but it works.

PS. Congrats on the new car!

 

[RyZt]

NEMA 6-20 is good enough if you don’t want to do work on your house. It gives 3.8 kW. In comparison, 120V charging gives 1.4kW, the Ford mobile charger is capable of up to 7.7 kW, the Mach E is capable of up to 11.5kW.

3.8kW gives you 35kWh overnight (conservatively assuming 10 hours and 90% efficiency). That’s more than sufficient for most use cases. That’s more than 100 miles.

You do need to buy a new EVSE because the Ford mobile charger isn’t capable to 240V/16A. If you can’t find a UL-listed EVSE with NEMA 6-20 plug, using a UL-listed EVSE with a DIP switch (set to 20A) and a plug adapter is safe.

 

[RyZt]

In the interim, please do not use a NEMA 6-20 to NEMA 14-50 adapter. NEMA 6-20 is for a maximum current of 20 Amps, while the Ford Mobile Charger will draw 32 Amps. Attempting this can lead to bad things (e.g., tripped circuits, or worse yet, fire).

I agree that the OP shouldn’t do that.

But it’s safe to use equipments (EVSE, cables, adapters) that are rated for 20A or above downstream of a 20A breaker. Therefore, unless OP’s house has a totally illegal and dangerous set up, nothing bad (other than the breaker tripping) should happen if OP tries.

 

[kkgg]

NEMA 6-20 is good enough if you don’t want to do work on your house. It gives 3.8 kW. In comparison, 120V charging gives 1.4kW, the Ford mobile charger is capable of up to 7.7 kW, the Mach E is capable of up to 11.5kW.

3.8kW gives you 35kWh overnight (conservatively assuming 10 hours and 90% efficiency). That’s more than sufficient for most use cases. That’s more than 100 miles.

You do need to buy a new EVSE because the Ford mobile charger isn’t capable to 240V/16A. If you can’t find a UL-listed EVSE with NEMA 6-20 plug, using a UL-listed EVSE with a DIP switch (set to 20A) and a plug adapter is safe.

I got to Google all of these abbreviations you mentioned ?.
Given my situation how can I charge my car on a decent rate. I don't need super fast charging. But can not live on 120v.

 

[ocdxfv]

KKGG - I have a suggestion on how to make this plug work for you using the charger that came with the car, but I hesitate to post it here. IF you are interested in my suggestion, feel free to send me a message. I'll be happy to share it with you.

 

[RyZt]

I got to Google all of these abbreviations you mentioned ?.
Given my situation how can I charge my car on a decent rate. I don't need super fast charging. But can not live on 120v.

Buy an EVSE that uses a 6-50 plug AND allows you to lower it to 16A (80% of 20A. The number 20 comes from NEMA 6-20R, the name of the receptacle in your photo) via a hardware switch. For example,

• Capable of 16A to 40A, so you can continue using it if you end up upgrade your house https://grizzl-e.com/product/usa/chargers-usa/grizzl-e-classic-nema-6-50-2/
• Capable of 16A https://store.clippercreek.com/level2/lcs-20p-plug-in-16-amp-level-2-evse-240v-nema-6-50

Buy a 6-20P to 6-50R adapter. For example, this one https://www.homedepot.com/p/parkwor...Amp-6-50R-Welder-Adapter-Cord-61377/316982403

I wish someone makes a non-Tesla mobile charger like this. It's inexpensive and versatile. But I don't think any one does. https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector

 

[AKgrampy]

You just purchased a $60,000 car. Do it right - add a new 50 or 50 amp circuit and purchase a wall mount EVSE or use the mobile. Sure there are work arounds but why go down that route. Hire an electrician if needed - make it safe and reliable. EV’S are here to stay!

 

[Tampamike]

I got to Google all of these abbreviations you mentioned ?.
Given my situation how can I charge my car on a decent rate. I don't need super fast charging. But can not live on 120v.

Just use the 120 adaptor with the Ford mobile charger for now. You can add about 20-30 miles every night. If you’re not charged up now, go find a fast charger and charge to 80 or 90%. Those two things should last you a week or more as long as you don’t have a long commute. Call an electrician tomorrow and make an appointment for a NEMA 14-50 install in your garage For an EV. I didn’t do any extensive wiring and it cost me about $600. The guy gave me the estimate and it seemed ok to me so he did it right then. Problem solved. You can shop for a third party EVSE at your leisure but it’s not necessary, only a preference. I’m still using my Ford mobile charger in year two.

 

[kkgg]

Just use the 120 adaptor with the Ford mobile charger for now. You can add about 20-30 miles every night. If you’re not charged up now, go find a fast charger and charge to 80 or 90%. Those two things should last you a week or more as long as you don’t have a long commute. Call an electrician tomorrow and make an appointment for a NEMA 14-50 install in your garage For an EV. I didn’t do any extensive wiring and it cost me about $600. The guy gave me the estimate and it seemed ok to me so he did it right then. Problem solved. You can shop for a third party EVSE at your leisure but it’s not necessary, only a preference. I’m still using my Ford mobile charger in year two.

Thanks

 

[kdonnel]

You just purchased a $60,000 car. Do it right - add a new 50 or 50 amp circuit and purchase a wall mount EVSE or use the mobile. Sure there are work arounds but why go down that route. Hire an electrician if needed - make it safe and reliable. EV’S are here to stay!

There is absolutely nothing wrong or unsafe with charging with the outlet shown as long as a 16amp EVSE is used.

I have charged for 3 years with a 30amp outlet and have never wished I had a more powerful outlet.

In my experience a 20amp circuit is perfect for the vast majority of EV owners.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I agree that the OP shouldn’t do that.

But it’s safe to use equipments (EVSE, cables, adapters) that are rated for 20A or above downstream of a 20A breaker. Therefore, unless OP’s house has a totally illegal and dangerous set up, nothing bad (other than the breaker tripping) should happen if OP tries.

There is absolutely nothing wrong or unsafe with charging with the outlet shown as long as a 16amp EVSE is used.

I have charged for 3 years with a 30amp outlet and have never wished I had a more powerful outlet.

In my experience a 20amp circuit is perfect for the vast majority of EV owners.

It is always best to not rely on a breaker to prevent damage and possible fire. Yes, they're there for that purpose, but like anything else in life, failures occur. The Ford Mobile Charger will draw 32A and therefore should trip the breaker. If it trips the breaker, then the OP can't charger their car. If it doesn't trip the breaker, then it might burn down the house (or maybe "just" destroy the outlet, adapter, and possible the Ford Mobile Charger). I'm really struggling to see any upside here.

As for other non EVSE equipment, it really depends on the current draw. YMMV.

 

[OON7]

Whatever you decide to do, if you have a new circuit run make sure that an industrial grade outlet is used. Do not let an electrician (or DIY) install a $15 outlet from Home Depot.

I even read a post about this, decided the $15 version was fine anyway, and of course it melted.

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