Mach-E to gain access to Tesla Superchargers! Get standard NACS port starting 2025! [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS / SOCIAL / MUSK COMMENTARY]

[DanoiZ]

cents/kwhr right now. What is

And how many times were you unable to charge at the appropriate rate?

Maybe 5 times. And that is with setting the charger as my destination so as to precondition the battery.

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[ChasingCoral]

Don’t see how the first point make a difference. Spacing of the construction is the only issue.

Ever been to a Costco gas station? Lines around the corner? They work because of churn. You can’t always get in and out easily and the throughput is dependent on the vehicle dwell time. Can you imagine the lines of each car was there 30 minutes?

 

[Tampamike]

Location and space availability. It takes much longer to charge than to fill up, hence we need more "stalls." For every pull through lane, you can have the equivalent of 3 charging spot.
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Ever been to a Costco gas station? Lines around the corner? They work because of churn. You can’t always get in and out easily and the throughput is dependent on the vehicle dwell time. Can you imagine the lines of each car was there 30 minutes?

Maybe we have two different visions of drive through stations. I guess you’re thinking of each lane as a no-pass lane. I’m thinking more like a WaWa or a Jersey turnpike station with several pumps on the left and right with a pull-out lane between. Each car could charge and leave and nobody blocks anybody. And no, I have never gotten gas at a Costco. It sounds like another reason why I should avoid Costco.

 

[FarSide]

Ford stock too (both up about 7% today). It's true that the short cables will continue to present a challenge for MMEs and Lightnings, but unless a station is full or near full (typically they're not outside peak times), it's usually workable. There's often a charger on the end of the line that can be parked at without blocking another, or a solo charger on the side. And if not that, parking diagonally across 2 spots works to get close enough. I wouldn't do that at a near-full station but they're usually no more than half full, if that.

It's unclear whether the adapter will be free to existing owners or not. Depends on how you interpret the word "provide". At one point in the chat Elon said "a few hundred bucks" (referring to adapters in general) but he could just be referring to the cost to make them. Or what they'll charge Ford if Ford buys them. I'd be surprised if it's outside the norm for a DCFC adapter though (typically around the $200-$250 area).

I think the adapter will need to provide some number of feet of cable extension to deal with the proximity problem. I have not measured it but it feels like 3 feet of cable with the adapter might fix the problem; they have to be thinking about this.

 

[hartmms]

With the MME DC charge rates a fair amount slower than Teslas, I wonder if there will be any animosity from Tesla owners towards MME owners when they roll up and have to wait for a slot to start charging due to so many MMEs.

Perhaps my concerns are overrated. It's not like a majority of EV owners know the 10%-80% charge times of vehicles that are not their own.

 

[RickMachE]

With the MME DC charge rates a fair amount slower than Teslas, I wonder if there will be any animosity from Tesla owners towards MME owners when they roll up and have to wait for a slot to start charging due to so many MMEs.

Perhaps my concerns are overrated. It's not like a majority of EV owners know the 10%-80% charge times of vehicles that are not their own.

If you use a Tesla Supercharger, and they give you crap, I suggest this response:

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1) Loosen belt buckle.
2) Pull pants down 1 foot.
3) Bend over and say "Kiss My Butt Your Teslarti! Elon invited me!"

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[bp99]

Don’t see how the first point make a difference. Spacing of the construction is the only issue.

NOW, most charging stations are in parking lots. If this thing goes, then don’t you see charging stations that look just like gs stations sometime in the near future? I mean, that’s kind of what we all seem to want instead of the back-of-the-WalMart lot experience, right?

I don't see that changing. What might change is rather than being on the edge of the lot, they'll be more in the middle so that pull through is possible. You can't do the gas station model due to charge time and vehicle throughput (the same reason why gas stations can work on a small margin versus needing a high margin on EV charging electric rates). EV charging with current (and near future technology) requires long rows of chargers rather than a few columns.

 

[dbsb3233]

I think the adapter will need to provide some number of feet of cable extension to deal with the proximity problem. I have not measured it but it feels like 3 feet of cable with the adapter might fix the problem; they have to be thinking about this.

But again, I don't think you can do a DCFC cable without liquid cooling.

 

[FarSide]

and why do we need to wait until next spring to start using the Tesla network; seems like a long time?

 

[dbsb3233]

I don't see that changing. What might change is rather than being on the edge of the lot, they'll be more in the middle so that pull through is possible. You can't do the gas station model due to charge time and vehicle throughput (the same reason why gas stations can work on a small margin versus needing a high margin on EV charging electric rates). EV charging with current (and near future technology) requires long rows of chargers rather than a few columns.

Yep. Basically, gas refueling is a "stopping" function (3 minutes), while DCFC charging is a "parking" function (20-40 minutes). Usually parking and leaving the car while going to eat, shop, bathroom, etc.

I too wish they would pick the far end of a parking lot and do a 2-deep pull-thu configuration more often. But move the stupid sign in between that's blocking the pull-thru! Pull-thru is important for the most flexibility reaching any charge point location.

 

[RickMachE]

Farley said on MSNBC today:

"We're going to ship an adapter to everyone who has bought a Ford Ev".

Couldn't be more clear. 'Everyone' implies FREE.

It is also clear that the 2025 next generation vehicles will no longer have CCS, but will have an adapter.

 

[dbsb3233]

and why do we need to wait until next spring to start using the Tesla network; seems like a long time?

They have to design and build the adapters, and both Ford and Tesla have software development and testing to do to integrate FordPass with the Tesla network.

Tesla could probably perfect the software in 2 months. Ford, well.......

 

[RickMachE]

And I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. I heard nothing about FREE or GIVE in that sound bite.

I don't invest in bridges, sorry.

 

[RickMachE]

To those complaining about the length of the Tesla charging cables:

- Remember size doesn't matter
- Try talking nice to the charger, this may lengthen the cable. Some have reported good results with this approach, right @mkhuffman?

 

[AhardFSU]

Maybe we have two different visions of drive through stations. I guess you’re thinking of each lane as a no-pass lane. I’m thinking more like a WaWa or a Jersey turnpike station with several pumps on the left and right with a pull-out lane between. Each car could charge and leave and nobody blocks anybody. And no, I have never gotten gas at a Costco. It sounds like another reason why I should avoid Costco.

I used to go to the Sam's Club gas station here in Riverview and Chasing Coral's point about queuing at Costco is the same for Sam's. The design of the DCFC stations should factor in some sort of queuing ratio, but we know that they don't. And that's the problem with the Sam's Club and Costco gas stations. You end up sitting in these somewhat long queuing lanes for maybe 10 to 15 mins waiting for your turn at the pump.

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